I like forums. However the mailing list seems to be good enough and
marc archives it in threaded format.
Note that nginxforums.com or net or somethig exists but isn’t really
used but someone else had that idea already 
On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:15 AM, “Jim O.” [email protected]
Well… I’m learning a lot right now but I don’t want to receive 100
emails in my inbox indefinitely… forums would be more convenient.
i have to admit, i’m looking for that “digest version” myself …
best personal regards,
-[ grantmichaels ]-
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 01:04 +0000, sam wrote:
If anyone has any issues, please contact me.
Regards,
CliffHi:
User contributed patches that were there as attachments have disappeared
Refer:
http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxHttpUpstreamRequestHashModule?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nginx_upstream_hash-0.3.tar.gz
Hm, that’s because for some reason that patch wasn’t on the page with
all the other patches. I’ll get it moved (and linked on the right
page).
Cliff
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 01:04 +0000, sam wrote:
Cliff W. <cliff@…> writes:
I’ve gone ahead and redirected http://wiki.codemongers.com to
http://www.nginx-community.org.The old wiki is still available at http://oldwiki.nginx-community.org in
case there’s anything there we still need to migrate.
Hi:
User contributed patches that were there as attachments have disappeared
Refer:
http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxHttpUpstreamRequestHashModule?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=nginx_upstream_hash-0.3.tar.gz
Okay Sam,
They are all back. Thanks for the heads up.
Cliff
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:15, Jim O. [email protected]
wrote:
A mailing list is a forum of sorts but without the features of more
sophisticated software.File attachments, private messagiing, threaded discussions, easy access to
older posts to name but a few.
There is http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.nginx.english which has
a threaded view and easy searching but not star-rating system for
messages.
I like Nabble more:
I gotta say that Toni enumerated quite well what I was vaguely hinting
at
with “this is a forum”.
Along these same lines, I would like to bring up a related issue to the
webforum-linking-with-mailforum thing… Can we please get a prefix or
suffix tag of [FORUM] or something? This way we can use our superior
MUA
searching/sorting/filtering features to do with them as we need.
Thanks,
Merlin
Hi,
I’m sorry, but I can’t let you say this unanswered:
On Thu, 12.03.2009 at 18:15:36 +0000, Jim O.
[email protected] wrote:
A mailing list is a forum of sorts but without the features of more
sophisticated software.
a mailing list is something entirely different, imho.
File attachments,
send mail with an attachment
private messagiing,
send email to one person only (ie, outside the list)
threaded discussions,
standard feature of non-broken MUAs (ie, mutt, Thunderbird, Evolution,
etc).
easy access to older posts
mailing list archive, may be even downloadable
to name but a few.
Forums typically have these additional drawbacks in my experience:
synchronous communications - ie, it won’t work if the forum server
has a hiccup or is currently hacked.
tends to mess up attachments
stricter limits on attachment sizes
centralized (even private messages need to go through the server)
threading is usually sub-par with MUAs, flexible sorting and
searching is usually not available
sorting and searching taxes the server, not the client (as with MUAs)
broken search results with about any search engines because whole
threads appear on one page
usually no downloadable archives
tend to vanish in a whim if the admin loses interest, or if the forum
package gets swapped (all links break, nobody fixes them, archives
are lost forever)
slow performance, high cost for the operator (much higher than a
mailing list)
It’s simply another way to communicate and get/offer support.
Yes, and one that causes more fraction and friction to the user base
(imho).
Kind regards,
–Toni++
Again, it’s a comfort level thing.Some people prefer it. It’s been
raised
a few times so I’m running with it. If it succeeds fine. If not, I
haven’t
lost anything. I’m not married to it (though it probably will require
less
effort and money than does my wife :p). I don’t plan to place any ads
on it
so it isn’t as though I’m going to make any money on it. In fact, it
could
conceivably cost money if it gets busy. It’s in a Virtuozzo container
that
costs me a few dollars a month. I own the license for the software and
I’m
not doing anything with it currently.
There are two conditions under which it goes away. First is if it’s not
used. Second is if I no longer have a way to host and maintain it (that
would include me going away as in permanently). Either of those
presupposes
that no one wishes to take over the joy of it all.
I believe that I have successfully edited the title and format of the
emails
that come from the site so you can delete them at will.
Jim
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Merlin
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: New wiki
I gotta say that Toni enumerated quite well what I was vaguely hinting
at
with “this is a forum”.
Along these same lines, I would like to bring up a related issue to the
webforum-linking-with-mailforum thing… Can we please get a prefix or
suffix tag of [FORUM] or something? This way we can use our superior
MUA
searching/sorting/filtering features to do with them as we need.
Thanks,
Merlin
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Toni M. [email protected]
wrote:
Hi,
I’m sorry, but I can’t let you say this unanswered:
On Thu, 12.03.2009 at 18:15:36 +0000, Jim O.
[email protected]
wrote:
A mailing list is a forum of sorts but without the features of more
sophisticated software.
a mailing list is something entirely different, imho.
File attachments,
send mail with an attachment
private messagiing,
send email to one person only (ie, outside the list)
threaded discussions,
standard feature of non-broken MUAs (ie, mutt, Thunderbird, Evolution,
etc).
easy access to older posts
mailing list archive, may be even downloadable
to name but a few.
Forums typically have these additional drawbacks in my experience:
synchronous communications - ie, it won’t work if the forum server
has a hiccup or is currently hacked.
tends to mess up attachments
stricter limits on attachment sizes
centralized (even private messages need to go through the server)
threading is usually sub-par with MUAs, flexible sorting and
searching is usually not available
sorting and searching taxes the server, not the client (as with MUAs)
broken search results with about any search engines because whole
threads appear on one page
usually no downloadable archives
tend to vanish in a whim if the admin loses interest, or if the forum
package gets swapped (all links break, nobody fixes them, archives
are lost forever)
slow performance, high cost for the operator (much higher than a
mailing list)
It’s simply another way to communicate and get/offer support.
Yes, and one that causes more fraction and friction to the user base
(imho).
Kind regards,
–Toni++
It’s not just for deleting; as an alternative to loading your server
with
searches, we can search the [FORUM] tagged posts in the mailing list and
we
can filter them to a specific folder (this is my approach).
I was being tongue in cheek with that.
I actually edited it again so the thread title will (hopefully) also
appear in the email subject line. That should help anyone know whether
it’s something that might be of interest.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
Not to complain or anything… But does anyone else think perhaps this
should be taken off list or a separate list be made? My cell has never
been so flooded with emails before…
Regards,
WS
Sent via handheld
On Mar 13, 2009, at 14:27, “Jim O.” [email protected]
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Wilfried Schobeiri
[email protected]wrote:
Not to add one more to the flood… but this is an extremely valid point
no one initially considered. We have members of this list, which
generally
gets a pretty light peppering of traffic, and we are going to be
spamming
them messages from a forum, which is quite likely (due to the nature of
webforums) to become much higher traffic and chatty than the email list.
Emails are (again, generally) much more considered than forum posts and
there is less of a tendency to post trivial/chatty messages to email
groups
than to forums.
Perhaps we should syndicate new forum threads only to this list, or a
completely different list. We should be able to set up nginx.forums
list
and you can join that if you also would like to get the forum
information
bridged to your local mail.
Dan Dascalescu wrote:
I like Nabble more:
There is no “prev” or “Next”! How do you get to older stuff in nabble?
Ian
Hello!
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 06:31:35PM -0400, Jim O. wrote:
I can set it for new threads only. That’s easy. But that then obviates the
idea of replying to a thread by email from the list.Setting up a different list would be a non-starter in my opinion. If people
want emails from a forum there are other ways of getting them without
creating yet another list.I’d be happy to discuss this via my email or at the forum itself. There’s a
place for site suggestions, and that forum does not get posted to the list.
As of now forum notifications is broken at least in following ways:
SHOOTING prefix in subject.
No valid References header, so no correct threading in mail
agents.
No valid From header thus making impossible to understand
who is message author without looking into message body.
No understanding of people posting to forum that this is in
fact post to mailing list and quoting rules should be significally
different from forum ones.
IMHO, either it the above should be fixed (and mailing list
integration done at least as good as that on ruby-forum,
effectively converting forum to yet another mailing list web
interface) or any integration with mailing list should be switched
off.
It’s not clear to me who will answer questions on forum if the
mailing list integration will be switched off. But with current
quality of integration it’s not acceptable and will damage mailing
list usage.
Maxim D.
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Maxim D. [email protected]
wrote:
hah! great minds think alike!
Don’t get me wrong. I -want- an active and thriving nginx forum. But
if guys like you and Igor only use the mailing list we’re losing a
huge amount of mindshare about nginx if we can’t tap your brains from
the forums. So integration to me is something I would like to see.
It all comes down to threaded discussions really. I like forums
because of threaded discussions, which essentially gmail does
already… perhaps Jim/Cliff/myself can try to figure out a list of
benefits offline as to why a person’s mail client is not good enough
for this.
As of now forum notifications is broken at least in following ways:
SHOOTING prefix in subject.
No valid References header, so no correct threading in mail
agents.
this is a big one
- No valid From header thus making impossible to understand
who is message author without looking into message body.
this too.
- No understanding of people posting to forum that this is in
fact post to mailing list and quoting rules should be significally
different from forum ones.IMHO, either it the above should be fixed (and mailing list
integration done at least as good as that on ruby-forum,
effectively converting forum to yet another mailing list web
interface) or any integration with mailing list should be switched
off.
exactly.
I can set it for new threads only. That’s easy. But that then obviates
the
idea of replying to a thread by email from the list.
Setting up a different list would be a non-starter in my opinion. If
people
want emails from a forum there are other ways of getting them without
creating yet another list.
I’d be happy to discuss this via my email or at the forum itself.
There’s a
place for site suggestions, and that forum does not get posted to the
list.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Merlin
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: New wiki
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Wilfried Schobeiri
[email protected]
wrote:
Not to complain or anything… But does anyone else think perhaps this
should be taken off list or a separate list be made? My cell has never
been
so flooded with emails before…
Regards,
WS
Sent via handheld
Not to add one more to the flood… but this is an extremely valid
point no
one initially considered. We have members of this list, which generally
gets a pretty light peppering of traffic, and we are going to be
spamming
them messages from a forum, which is quite likely (due to the nature of
webforums) to become much higher traffic and chatty than the email list.
Emails are (again, generally) much more considered than forum posts and
there is less of a tendency to post trivial/chatty messages to email
groups
than to forums.
Perhaps we should syndicate new forum threads only to this list, or a
completely different list. We should be able to set up nginx.forums
list
and you can join that if you also would like to get the forum
information
bridged to your local mail.
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:45:34 -0700
Dan Dascalescu <ddascalescu
[email protected]> wrote:
There is http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.nginx.english which has
a threaded view and easy searching but not star-rating system for
messages.
It has whatever features your user agent has if you access it as a news
group (which I thought gmane’s main purpose was), which is the far
superior way to read it 
We need to update the wikipedia page too!
On Mar 12, Cliff W. wrote:
I’ve gone ahead and redirected http://wiki.codemongers.com to
http://www.nginx-community.org.The old wiki is still available at http://oldwiki.nginx-community.org in
case there’s anything there we still need to migrate.If anyone has any issues, please contact me.
Have we lost the old accounts/changelogs?
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