Where do I put e g require ‘will_paginate’ in Rails 3 environment?
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Paul B.
[email protected]wrote:
Where do I put e g require ‘will_paginate’ in Rails 3 environment?
Are you using the gem? If the gem, just include it in the gemfile and
you
should be good:
gem ‘will_paginate’, :git =>
‘git://github.com/mislav/will_paginate.git’,
:branch => ‘rails3’
David K. wrote in post #969813:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Paul B.
Are you using the gem? If the gem, just include it in the gemfile and
you
should be good:gem ‘will_paginate’, :git =>
‘git://github.com/mislav/will_paginate.git’,
:branch => ‘rails3’
Even if it’s already installed?
Paul B. wrote in post #969811:
Where do I put e g require ‘will_paginate’ in Rails 3 environment?
Can I still use “require” somewhere without bundler? It’s overkill for
my situation with a few apps of my own. I just want to get started with
Rails 3, which hasn’t been easy.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Paul B.
[email protected]wrote:
Even if it’s already installed?
Right… you want all your dependencies in the gemfile. I am not an
expert
but through experience it seems that if a gem is included there then I
do
not have to place ‘requires’. Try yourself.
Also, I would recommend that you try RVM and use gemsets. I create a new
gemset for each app, that way I have a clean start for that app and
fresh
install of the gems. And you can also delete the gemset and start over
if
you run into any problems and want to round out the possibility that the
issue was in your gems.
David K. wrote in post #969854:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Paul B.
[email protected]wrote:
Fighting Rails will only make Rails 3 harder, oh have I learned not to
do
this when not necessary. Bundler was made a first class part of Rails
starting in 3, so if you are going to use Rails 3 you should use it. Its
really not a big deal different than Rails 2 where you declared your
gems in
environment.rb. Just include your gems in bundler and run ‘bundle
install’
in the terminal…
Maybe it’s necessary 
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Paul B.
[email protected]wrote:
Can I still use “require” somewhere without bundler? It’s overkill for
my situation with a few apps of my own. I just want to get started with
Rails 3, which hasn’t been easy.
Fighting Rails will only make Rails 3 harder, oh have I learned not to
do
this when not necessary. Bundler was made a first class part of Rails
starting in 3, so if you are going to use Rails 3 you should use it. Its
really not a big deal different than Rails 2 where you declared your
gems in
environment.rb. Just include your gems in bundler and run ‘bundle
install’
in the terminal…
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Paul B.
[email protected]wrote:
really not a big deal different than Rails 2 where you declared your
gems in
environment.rb. Just include your gems in bundler and run ‘bundle
install’
in the terminal…Maybe it’s necessary
Just give a try— I am usually pretty vocal if something really it
troublesome but I have not found such with Bundler, actually I do feel
like
it makes my life easier – just having clarity what is and what is not
in
the project.
Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote in post #969862:
It hasn’t been easy for you because you’re trying to fight Rails!
So…stop fighting Rails. Stop fighting Bundler. Learn to do things
the Rails way. If you think you can improve on the Rails way, please do
so – but do so from a position of knowledge, not a position of
ignorance.If you’re not willing to do that, then find another Web framework that
better suits your needs.
Haven’t I ask you not to answer my posts? Why can’t you respect that?
Paul B. wrote in post #969853:
Can I still use “require” somewhere without bundler? It’s overkill for
my situation with a few apps of my own. I just want to get started with
Rails 3, which hasn’t been easy.
It hasn’t been easy for you because you’re trying to fight Rails!
So…stop fighting Rails. Stop fighting Bundler. Learn to do things
the Rails way. If you think you can improve on the Rails way, please do
so – but do so from a position of knowledge, not a position of
ignorance.
If you’re not willing to do that, then find another Web framework that
better suits your needs.
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
Sent from my iPhone
Paul B. wrote in post #969888:
Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote in post #969862:
It hasn’t been easy for you because you’re trying to fight Rails!
So…stop fighting Rails. Stop fighting Bundler. Learn to do things
the Rails way. If you think you can improve on the Rails way, please do
so – but do so from a position of knowledge, not a position of
ignorance.If you’re not willing to do that, then find another Web framework that
better suits your needs.Haven’t I ask you not to answer my posts?
I didn’t realize it was a blanket prohibition.
Why can’t you respect that?
I can’t respect the idea that you get to decide who answers you when you
post on an unmoderated public list. If you don’t want answers from the
public, don’t post here.
If you have a problem with something I said, or if you think I’m wrong,
please feel free to tell me. If you want to killfile me, that’s your
right too. But ad hominem invalidation is silly.
Oh, wait, I can’t answer those direct questions from you. Damn. ;>
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
On 21 December 2010 21:06, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:
Paul B. wrote in post #969888:
Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote in post #969862:
It hasn’t been easy for you because you’re trying to fight Rails!
<snip what everyone’s telling the OP>Haven’t I ask you not to answer my posts?
ker-plonk (the sound of an addition to my killfile :-/
…it’s a shame really… some people just don’t seem to want help.
What’s the sense in using software that declaims “convention over
configuration”, then ignoring conventions, and moaning the
configuration is too hard?
Why can’t you respect that?
I can’t respect the idea that you get to decide who answers you when you
post on an unmoderated public list. If you don’t want answers from the
public, don’t post here.
+1
Paul B. wrote in post #969896:
David K. wrote in post #969861:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Paul B.
Just give a try— I am usually pretty vocal if something really it
troublesome but I have not found such with Bundler, actually I do feel
like
it makes my life easier – just having clarity what is and what is not
in
the project.I see what you mean. But let me give you my view.
I had an easy life with Rails 2 but now with Rails 3 it has become more
complex. I just wondered if there was a way to leave bundler out and
just use require, as before. If there is, then what’s the problem? Isn’t
that the easy way ahead? I can learn bundler later on if and when
needed.
Apparently there isn’t. That’s what people have been trying to tell
you, and that’s what you have apparently been ignoring.
Anyway, if you want to learn Rails 3, then learn it, don’t kludge around
it! If, after having learned it, you think there’s a better way to do
things, then do so.
I like simplicity. That’s why I got fond of ruby and then rails over
php. But I don’t think it’s going the right way, even though I can see
the need for a tool like bundler. I would prefer that Rails keep it
simple but let users add tools like bundler if wanted. My setup in Rails
2 was easier.
No one is stopping you from continuing to use Rails 2, or from using
another Web framework altogether. If Rails 3 is getting in your way,
then please don’t use it.
However, please invest some honest effort into learning Rails 3 – on
its own merits – before making that decision.
Trust me.
Why?
Bundler reminds me of gem vs plugin. Do you see my thought?
No. How about making it explicit?
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
Michael P. wrote in post #969893:
On 21 December 2010 21:06, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:Paul B. wrote in post #969888:
Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote in post #969862:
It hasn’t been easy for you because you’re trying to fight Rails!
<snip what everyone’s telling the OP>Haven’t I ask you not to answer my posts?
ker-plonk (the sound of an addition to my killfile :-/
…it’s a shame really… some people just don’t seem to want help.
What’s the sense in using software that declaims “convention over
configuration”, then ignoring conventions, and moaning the
configuration is too hard?
Well put.
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Paul B.
[email protected]wrote:
the need for a tool like bundler. I would prefer that Rails keep it
simple but let users add tools like bundler if wanted. My setup in Rails
2 was easier. Trust me.
This is something I have thought about. I came from the .NET world for a
lot
of same reasons. I have been using Rails 3 for a few months intensively
and
I think you should give it an honest shot. There are changes and there
is a
learning curve but it is not that bad. My challenge is that I also took
on
Rspec, Cucumber, Capybara, xpath and who knows what else at the same
time
and this was painful but I am seeing that it has made me stronger. I
have
ended up dropping Cucumber for Steak and this has helped. Anyhow, I
suspect
that you will find that it just seems easier in 2 because it is what you
are
used to.
Also… if you really want to simplify, check out developing a pure rack
app
or with Sinatra or the like… pretty cool stuff and you feel closer to
the
road 
Bundler reminds me of gem vs plugin. Do you see my thought?
I am probably wrong but it seems to me that plugins are and will go away
as
since each app has their own bundle the idea of plugins gets to be
insignificant, especially if you use RVM (and RVM is for sure worth
the
effort to pick up).
David K. wrote in post #969861:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Paul B.
Just give a try— I am usually pretty vocal if something really it
troublesome but I have not found such with Bundler, actually I do feel
like
it makes my life easier – just having clarity what is and what is not
in
the project.
I see what you mean. But let me give you my view.
I had an easy life with Rails 2 but now with Rails 3 it has become more
complex. I just wondered if there was a way to leave bundler out and
just use require, as before. If there is, then what’s the problem? Isn’t
that the easy way ahead? I can learn bundler later on if and when
needed.
I like simplicity. That’s why I got fond of ruby and then rails over
php. But I don’t think it’s going the right way, even though I can see
the need for a tool like bundler. I would prefer that Rails keep it
simple but let users add tools like bundler if wanted. My setup in Rails
2 was easier. Trust me.
Bundler reminds me of gem vs plugin. Do you see my thought?
Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote in post #969891:
I didn’t realize it was a blanket prohibition.
Why can’t you respect that?
I can’t respect the idea that you get to decide who answers you when you
post on an unmoderated public list. If you don’t want answers from the
public, don’t post here.
I only ask you to respect me as a fellow human being, asking you to
behave and interact with other people in a kind, respectful and warm
manner. 
Is that too much to ask?
Several times when I have asked a question you have given me a question
back like “why do you want to do that?” instead of just answering my
question. Once or twice is nothing but not all the time.
I didn’t ask for your opinion about bundler. I asked if there is a way
to require a gem but keep the gems in one place, like before. I don’t
understand why that question would be so hard to understand. Why make it
so complicated Marnen?
I’m sure bundler is wonderful, but I could do without it. Is that ok
with you? You seem like a person who get nervous when someone is not
following the rules. Is that true? Is that the problem here?
David K. wrote in post #969902:
Rspec, Cucumber, Capybara, xpath and who knows what else at the same
time
I get exhausted of hearing about all that stuff
Just kidding. I see your point. I’m kind of full with knowledge. I’m
tired of always having to learn new things. Once I was eager to do so,
but not anymore.
I had a good life with Rails 2. Things worked well and I felt I had
learned all I needed to have a good flow in my development (of my own
few apps). Then came Rails 3 with some “cool new features”.
Bundler reminds me of gem vs plugin. Do you see my thought?
I am probably wrong but it seems to me that plugins are and will go away
as
since each app has their own bundle the idea of plugins gets to be
insignificant, especially if you use RVM (and RVM is for sure worth
the
effort to pick up).
I use RVM. Good for ruby. But otherwise I could be without it. It’s one
of these “cool new features” that I had to get into. My head is
alarming “memory full”.
David K. wrote in post #969902:
[…]
I
have
ended up dropping Cucumber for Steak and this has helped.
[…]
Now that’s just a terrible idea. I don’t want to hijack this thread,
but I’ll be happy to discuss (in a different thread) why I think Steak
is fundamentally misconceived.
Best,
Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]