Re: I need serious help!

Ruby
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Craig J. wrote:

Joe wants to build interesting games, he wants to program them.
Correct.
Matthew’s example with aa, bb as location names was beyond Joe…
he is concerned he’s stuck with those names…
I understood it rather well. I just needed to clarify if I had to code
another line to replace aa with river. As in I wanted to know if I had
to do something stupid like aa=river, or if I could just subsitute
river, for aa. So the jokes on you.
JOE THAT’S WHY YOU NEED TO STUDY SO YOU DON’T ASK THINGS LIKE
THAT–YOU’D
KNOW ALREADY
Perhaps, but why take hours of studying when you can ask and know in 5
minutes? It’s just common sense, woman.
Joe doesn’t know what hyperbole is—and what’s worse attempts to defend
that he is right based on some complex mathematics of how many times he
could
write Hello world…
I looked hyperbole up. It is nearly the same thing as exageration. It
wasn’t complex stupid. I assumed it took about 5 seconds to write puts
(‘hello world’), I have 4 hours a day when I have nothing to do.
4X60X60= how many seconds that is. That/5= how many times I could do
Hello World. around 250k.
JOE THE POINT WAS NOT TO DO THE SAME STUPID THING MANY TIMES BUT TO
EXPLORE
MANY DIFFERENT BASICS SO YOU UNDERSTAND…
And I asked how a few questions about Hello World. No-one answered them.
Joe can’t make yahoo work—so he’s stumped (yea, like I’m sure it’s
Yahoo
that is having a brain fart–not our indigent ignoramous)
Yahoo’s registration server was obviously having issues. Dee. Dee. Dee.
AND YES JOE YOU WERE BEING CALLED A TROLL
Hehe. Your definition of Troll and mine are completely different.
AND JOE–YOU WERE THE SWINE, they cast the pearls…
I have no idea what you are talking about.
and Joe, learn to spell–Alliance…
No.

So—Joe–you are way beyond pointless at this point.
Hehe. I’m am completely on the point. If you will look at the top of the
I need serious help thread, it says nothing about wanting to know how to
start coding.
I wish you well with LOGO (Trying to explain how you making shapes in
Logo
is so orthogonal to what you say you want to do would be pointless at
this
point in your understanding of the world and what you have set yourself
for
a task, so I won’t bother)
I was just having a little fun before I went on to more advanced things.
Besides, what point is all this BS if you can’t have fun with it? What
are hours of time if you have no product to show for it?
GO READ
GO STUDY
I have similar advice for you. GO LEARN TO READ. And I have no reason to
study. Why study when you can memorize useful information in seconds?
Come back when you are wiser in the ways of programming, games, and
social
skills.
Fuck off woman. Good enough social skills now? On the streets of
Brooklyn, no one cares if you say please before you steal their whores.
Begone.

Yet again. Fuck off woman.

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In message [email protected], Joe
Wiltrout writes:

I understood it rather well. I just needed to clarify if I had to code
another line to replace aa with river. As in I wanted to know if I had
to do something stupid like aa=river, or if I could just subsitute
river, for aa. So the jokes on you.

Well, that’s the thing. You DIDN’T understand.

Perhaps, but why take hours of studying when you can ask and know in 5
minutes? It’s just common sense, woman.

Are you familiar with the old thing “give a man a fish, feed him for a
day,
teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime?”

It wouldn’t take “hours” of studying if you’re half as smart as you
think
you are. Even if it did, you wouldn’t just learn the answer to that
one question; you’d learn the answer to a whole bunch of other
questions.

Studying is WAY faster than asking bunches of easy questions.

I looked hyperbole up. It is nearly the same thing as exageration. It
wasn’t complex stupid. I assumed it took about 5 seconds to write puts
(‘hello world’), I have 4 hours a day when I have nothing to do.
4X60X60= how many seconds that is. That/5= how many times I could do
Hello World. around 250k.

Yes, but since no one ever told you to write that same program over and
over, it’s still missing the point.

And I asked how a few questions about Hello World. No-one answered them.

I didn’t see them.

Hehe. I’m am completely on the point. If you will look at the top of the
I need serious help thread, it says nothing about wanting to know how to
start coding.

Yes, but if you want to write a game, you’ll have to learn programming
techniques eventually.

BTW, are you seriously trying to use “woman” as an insult? It sure
reads
that way.

-s

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Travis D Warlick Jr wrote:

Joe W. wrote:

… I have the entire game planned out. And I consider all this proper
use cases etc, coding and programming. If it involves programming, its
in the programming catagory. Therefore coding/programming is really
about 90% of it. 9 is the idea itself. And the remaining .5% is where to
get the coffee and donuts.

Do you know what UML is?

–
Travis W.

“Programming in Java is like dealing with your mom –
it’s kind, forgiving, and gently chastising.
Programming in C++ is like dealing with a disgruntled
girlfriend – it’s cold, unforgiving, and doesn’t tell
you what you’ve done wrong.”

No idea. Maybe if you spelled it out I would. Im not good with geeky
acronyms.

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In message [email protected], Joe
Wiltrout writes:

Lemme clarify. I have what gamers experiance planned out.

Really? All of it? Seems unlikely.

I have no game
engine or combat system, etc. I have an idea of the graphics, I have an
idea of everything the gamer cares about. Graphics, customizablity, etc.

Well, uhm. I hate to break it to you, but gamers care a lot about
combat
systems. Gamers have been known to shun a game into bankruptcy because
the combat system sucked. The combat system IS part of the game
experience.
There’s a huge difference between Fallout’s action point system and
World
of Warcraft’s “global cooldown”. It matters.

See, you don’t have a game concept. You have a front end concept.
That’s
way different.

Don’t tell me I spelled something wrong, because I don’t care.

You should. If you don’t care about spelling, you’re gonna have a hell
of a time getting a computer to do anything.

-s

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I’m sorry all…I can’t resist…

Joe…
90+9 leaves 1 not .5 remaining…

what’s the other .5?

ok…
sorry…I just had to make the point about how deeply
this guy understands anything…

Joe, know what you want on the user end is great—IF you are hiring
someone to do the work on the other side—ELSE you are no-where.

Now…please go to the Logo list…

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Joe W. wrote:

I asked for help on how to start making a very simple game. Not advice
on how to start programming.

  1. Programming a game is not simple, especially an MMORPG. The key
    phrase is “massive multiplayer” Some key concepts that you probably
    haven’t thought about: threading, database replication, server
    synchronization, security, distributed programming

  2. From your original post:

I wanna make an MMORPG type game, but I have no
programming experiance whatsoever.

Sounds like you do need advise on how to start programming.

–
Travis W.

“Programming in Java is like dealing with your mom –
it’s kind, forgiving, and gently chastising.
Programming in C++ is like dealing with a disgruntled
girlfriend – it’s cold, unforgiving, and doesn’t tell
you what you’ve done wrong.”

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“geeky acronyms”…

HEY EVERYONE----
JOE IS SPECIAL—he doesn’t have to learn the language of the industry,
we are all supposed to simplify it down to his level—Don’t expect him
to go look it up or “google-it” (as he has said he is so wise at the
ways
of…)

Crimminy Joe, what else can you do to insult all the people on this list
and demonstrate you are some kind of misogynist socio-path?

you are really right…You DO need serious help…

(use the dictionary…)

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In message [email protected], Joe
Wiltrout writes:

Hate to break it to you, but people did tell me to write basic programs
over and over.

Nope.

I use the term Hello World to symbolize all of the stupid
little basic commands and words that people want me to do.

See, there’s a huge difference between “write a thousand different
little
programs” (often useful) and “write the same program a thousand times”
(not
useful). You were encouraged to do the former; you misrepresent it as
being
the latter.

It occured to
me that people write programs and get paid too, but one tihng occured to
me to. I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY AS IT IS. And if your going to quote me on my
I don’t have money to spend on books and the like statement, look at it
closer. BOOKS AND THE LIKE! I have plenty of money to spend on things I
want or need. Learning to program games was just one thing I decided to
start after hitting my head on a low ceiling.

Well, it seems to me, then, that you don’t actually want to make a game.
You
want to already have made a game, without going through any of the
intervening
process. Good luck with that!

-s

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On 7/15/07, Joe W. [email protected] wrote:

But that wasn’t the planning he was referring to, he said object
graphs, and flow structures and the like. That is complex theory.
Sure you can easily go and download some source to a library, change a
few strings and ta-da, but eventually you will want to make changes
that the library isn’t built for, and you will have to make big
changes, you may even need to write an engine from scratch and get all
your code working on it. You should know how to do that. Not now, I
wouldn’t expect you to learn that for maybe a year if you are lucky,
but you have to be willing to go out and learn it.

You will eventually find a language, a book, a method, a structure or
something that will teach you what you need to know, and in the mean
time, you can still do things.

I challenge you to this, you are a teen as well right? Write a
program that keeps track of homework. All it needs to be able to do
is print out something like:
04/02 - Chem chapter 6, #1-12
and save it to a file. Extra credit if it will do something special
to mark things due tomorrow.

This is something useful, and surprisingly fun to code (I just did it).

Also, If you want any help later on from ruby-talk, even from the
people who have been helpful and you have praised, I suggest you stop
insulting people. The sexism is just pissing me off, I am surprised I
actually bothered to send this (hopefully) helpful post to you.

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Joe W. wrote:

No idea. Maybe if you spelled it out I would. Im not good with geeky
acronyms.

Unified Modeling Language

It’s not a not a programming language though. It’s what most software
developers use to design their software (80-90% of dev time) before
coding (10-20% of dev time) to avoid mistakes, hours of debugging,
missing features, security problems, and the like.

http://umlwiki.org/
http://www.parlezuml.com/e-books/umlformanagers/index.htm
http://www.uml.org/ (Official site)

–
Travis W.

“Programming in Java is like dealing with your mom –
it’s kind, forgiving, and gently chastising.
Programming in C++ is like dealing with a disgruntled
girlfriend – it’s cold, unforgiving, and doesn’t tell
you what you’ve done wrong.”

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On 7/15/07, Joe W. [email protected] wrote:

and ask them to tell me how to make a program, I expect them to try to
it occurred to me that people got paid for that stuff.

start after hitting my head on a low ceiling. Of course at that time my
game was going to be called Ceiling Killers. Where you were a dude with
fireworks and shot roman candles at peoples ceilings. Course that didnt
seem like much fun after my head cleared. Thats what 3 hours knocked out
will do to ya.

Wow. This is like watching a train wreck. Or, like, a really bad
soap opera. Joe, I feel bad for ya, man. I hope whatever money you
have can buy you respect, because your self-proclaimed genius
certainly doesn’t.

I’ve seen some spoiled brats on forums before, but you definitely take
the ticket – to such an extreme, even, that I have a hard time
believing your real. I’m sure your family is forthrightly proud of
you. I’m not being sarcastic, either.

Todd

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Oh, Joe, one more thing. If you really are a linebacker, stay off the
'roids.

Todd

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Travis D Warlick Jr wrote:

Joe W. wrote:

I asked for help on how to start making a very simple game. Not advice
on how to start programming.

  1. Programming a game is not simple, especially an MMORPG. The key
    phrase is “massive multiplayer” Some key concepts that you probably
    haven’t thought about: threading, database replication, server
    synchronization, security, distributed programming

…version-neutral checkpointing, data compression, scalability…

  1. From your original post:

I wanna make an MMORPG type game, but I have no
programming experiance whatsoever.

Sounds like you do need advise on how to start programming.

You know, I just realized something else. Where’s he going to get the
millions of dollars for hardware, infrastructure, marketing, insurance,
lawyers, and support staff (not to mention, depending on his wants,
actors, musicians, manufacturing, and inventory)?

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Peter S. wrote:

In message [email protected], Joe W. writes:

… I have the entire game planned out.

You know, I used to say things like this. When it came time to actually make
things happen, I often found there were things I hadn’t considered yet.

show veronica’s body to her husband

Michael doesn’t seem to be interested in Veronica’s dead body.

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In message [email protected], “John W. Kennedy” writes:

You know, I just realized something else. Where’s he going to get the
millions of dollars for hardware, infrastructure, marketing, insurance,
lawyers, and support staff (not to mention, depending on his wants,
actors, musicians, manufacturing, and inventory)?

He has plenty of money, remember?

I’ve never seen the desire to impress people backfire so badly.

-s

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On 7/15/07, Todd B. [email protected] wrote:

I’ve seen some spoiled brats on forums before, but you definitely take
the ticket – to such an extreme, even, that I have a hard time
believing your real. I’m sure your family is forthrightly proud of
you. I’m not being sarcastic, either.

I meant I’m not being facetious. I’m definitely being sarcastic.

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In message [email protected], “John W. Kennedy” writes:

Peter S. wrote:

In message [email protected], Joe W. writes:

… I have the entire game planned out.

You know, I used to say things like this. When it came time to actually make
things happen, I often found there were things I hadn’t considered yet.

show veronica’s body to her husband

Michael doesn’t seem to be interested in Veronica’s dead body.

Don’t be silly. Joe can’t learn anything from text adventures!

-s

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unknown wrote:

In message [email protected], Joe
Wiltrout writes:

Lemme clarify. I have what gamers experiance planned out.

Really? All of it? Seems unlikely.

I have no game
engine or combat system, etc. I have an idea of the graphics, I have an
idea of everything the gamer cares about. Graphics, customizablity, etc.

Well, uhm. I hate to break it to you, but gamers care a lot about
combat
systems. Gamers have been known to shun a game into bankruptcy because
the combat system sucked. The combat system IS part of the game
experience.
There’s a huge difference between Fallout’s action point system and
World
of Warcraft’s “global cooldown”. It matters.

See, you don’t have a game concept. You have a front end concept.
That’s
way different.

Don’t tell me I spelled something wrong, because I don’t care.

You should. If you don’t care about spelling, you’re gonna have a hell
of a time getting a computer to do anything.

-s

Clarify: I have a combat system planned out. I don’t have a combat
engine. I planned on using about the same system that WoW does, only
slightly modifed to better fit the game. Clarify: I don’t care about
spelling when I’m on forums or an online game, etc. I do use proper
spelling in other things. Like resumes, E-Mails, important documents,
etc. I usually use spellcheck on those kinds of things. Problem with
Ruby Forums is, they have such a low-grade forum that it has no
spellcheck, no bold, italic, or underline text, no changing fonts, no
changing color or size, no sigs, no avatars, no sections for specific
things. Anyway, I have what I want planned. I don’t have the means to
create it by myself currently. Maybe, probably awhile from now, I will
have either someone to do it for me, or a better Programming Language to
write it in. Obviously Im not going to write it in Ruby. I might not
even make it for PC. I’m probably going to use the Gamebryo Engine or
have someone use it. But until then, I’m just gunna have a bit of fun
with Logo.

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unknown wrote:

In message [email protected], “John W. Kennedy” writes:

You know, I just realized something else. Where’s he going to get the
millions of dollars for hardware, infrastructure, marketing, insurance,
lawyers, and support staff (not to mention, depending on his wants,
actors, musicians, manufacturing, and inventory)?

He has plenty of money, remember?

I’ve never seen the desire to impress people backfire so badly.

-s

Who said I want to start a company? Who said I was even going to release
the game at all? And why would I need infrastructure, hardware,
marketing, insurance, lawyers, and support staff if I’m not gunna
release the game? Maybe I’ll only release it to my friends? Have you
ever thought of that? I’v never seen someones attempt to make me feel or
look stupid backfire so badly.

-j

P.S. If your gunna quote, do it write. I said I have plenty of money for
things particular things. I didn’t say I was rich.

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Travis D Warlick Jr wrote:

Joe W. wrote:

I asked for help on how to start making a very simple game. Not advice
on how to start programming.

  1. Programming a game is not simple, especially an MMORPG. The key
    phrase is “massive multiplayer” Some key concepts that you probably
    haven’t thought about: threading, database replication, server
    synchronization, security, distributed programming

  2. From your original post:

I wanna make an MMORPG type game, but I have no
programming experiance whatsoever.

Sounds like you do need advise on how to start programming.

Use the rest of the post. My question was How would I start making the
very sucky game I described. You need help. You like only read every
other sentance.