On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 01:07:38AM +0900, Daniel S. wrote:
} Hello fellow Rubyphilics!
}
} As other have remarked, the quality of this list is rapidly declining
} not because of a lack of participation, but rather because of the
} increase of the same. Each and every question, no matter how nubish,
is
} answered, which of course is good. But the deep, poignant (no pun
} intended) discussions seem to have faded in both frequency and
quality.
}
} I therefore propose we establish a ruby-experts (or the like) mailing
} list intended for exactly those discussions.
}
} Thoughts?
First off, I vote no.
Second, I think there has been a drop-off in “poignant” discussions
largely
because people have settled on what is needed (or, rather, the
community’s
view of where Ruby should be going matches Matz’s view to a large
extent).
At this point, there are really two major priorities for Ruby: some
cleanup (piddling missing functionality like blocks that take blocks,
code
cleanup/rewrite, removing syntax ambiguity, a formal specification of
the
language, etc.), and performance (i.e. a VM rather than an interpreter).
The first is being served by progress toward Ruby 2.0, which mostly gets
discussed on ruby-core, I think. The second is being addressed by
numerous
initiatives, including YARV, Rubinius, Ruby.NET, Cardinal (Ruby on
Parrot,
which may or may not be dead), and JRuby.
Third, I think you’ll find that a lot of the “poignant” discussion is
happening on blogs rather than the mailing list. For example, _why’s
blog
(Redhanded) is a great place to find some interesting discussion of deep
Ruby, particularly meta programming.
Finally, try releasing something cool (that isn’t a Rails app or plugin)
and announcing it. I think you’ll find that there is a lot of room on
the
current list for discussion when there is something specific to talk
about.
Not to be a _why fanboy, but Hpricot has gotten numerous discussions
going
both on ruby-talk and on the Rails list.
} Daniel S.
–Greg
