On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 02:14 +0900, Jeremy McAnally wrote:
I think that’s going to be a problem with any skill level based
separator we create: Who is a beginner? Who is an expert? What if a
beginner has a question that an expert needs to answer? If there
needs to be a split, perhaps the only way to do it effectively is a
topic driven one such as another’s suggestion to create ruby-talk and
ruby-help.
Much better than my idea. Thanks!
Cheers,
Daniel
On 12/30/06, Pit C. [email protected] wrote:
Sometimes I read some blogs about Ruby, and often I wonder why those
messages aren’t posted to ruby-talk. I almost never answer questions or
participate in discussions there for exactly the reasons you mention.Why not post to the list with a link to the blog, along with your thoughts?
Nice idea, Pat. Best of both worlds. I’ll give this a try the next time.
Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There’s
a lot of gold in them thar blogs – if only there are enough people
interested in mining it.
Daniel S. wrote:
I for one – somewhere between Ruby nuby and Ruby expert but a genuine
same. You don’t seem to, and of that I am jealousCheers,
Daniel
Maybe it’s because I’m more than a nuby but less than an expert in
Ruby. I discovered Ruby only this year, shortly after deciding that I
wanted to spend the rest of my career programming in R. 
Like many, I
started out by noticing that you couldn’t open your eyes without
stumbling across Ruby on Rails, and I decided that it was prudent to
understand how Rails and my lack of knowledge of Rails in particular and
web application design in general could limit my career. In retrospect,
if I had really been interested in learning how to write web
applications, I would have been better off studying PHP. But the
opportunity or motivation to write a web application has not
materialized yet, so instead I focused on learning Ruby.
There is also the “agility” factor. Ruby and Rails seem inextricably
intertwined with the agile movement, and I think splitting the list up
would be a step backwards in that respect.
–
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, FBG, AB, PTA, PGS, MS, MNLP, NST, ACMC(P)
http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/
If God had meant for carrots to be eaten cooked, He would have given
rabbits fire.
On 12/30/06, Pat M. [email protected] wrote:
+1
Sometimes I read some blogs about Ruby, and often I wonder why those
messages aren’t posted to ruby-talk. I almost never answer questions or
participate in discussions there for exactly the reasons you mention.Why not post to the list with a link to the blog, along with your
thoughts?
How about someone post a comprehensive list of “ruby expert” blogs so
that I
can add them to my RSS reader. I may not understand the topics yet, but
I’ve found that immersing myself in ruby has helped me quite a bit.
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
There is also the “agility” factor. Ruby and Rails seem inextricably
intertwined with the agile movement, and I think splitting the list up
would be a step backwards in that respect.
What… in the spirit of newbies “pairing” with oldbies?
Actually, what if, in an attempt to emulate rotating pairs, we make the
listserv randomly not deliver some messages to some people? That’ll cut
down on the amount that everybody has to read, but without being
unnecessarily divisive!
Oh, wait…
Devin
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 08:07:05AM +0900, pat eyler wrote:
[…]
} Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
} blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There’s
} a lot of gold in them thar blogs – if only there are enough people
} interested in mining it.
Well, I’ll pimp my own Ruby blog. I only have a very few posts there,
but I
generally only post when I learn something really interesting or come up
with a good way of doing something interesting, for varying values of
interesting.
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/
} thanks,
} -pate
–Greg
On Dec 30, 2006, at 08:07, Daniel S. wrote:
list intended for exactly those discussions.
Thoughts?
Please go search the archives for why this list hasn’t been split in
the past despite a split being proposed nearly every six months.
–
Eric H. - [email protected] - http://blog.segment7.net
I LIT YOUR GEM ON FIRE!
On 12/30/06, Gregory S. [email protected] wrote:
interesting.
Nice. Do you have a couple of favorite posts from your blog?
Something you’d like the ruby-talk/clr/ruby-forum to know about?
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 10:36:44AM +0900, pat eyler wrote:
} On 12/30/06, Gregory S. [email protected] wrote:
} >On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 08:07:05AM +0900, pat eyler wrote:
} >[…]
} >} Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
} >} blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There’s
} >} a lot of gold in them thar blogs – if only there are enough people
} >} interested in mining it.
} >
} >Well, I’ll pimp my own Ruby blog. I only have a very few posts there,
but I
} >generally only post when I learn something really interesting or come
up
} >with a good way of doing something interesting, for varying values of
} >interesting.
} >
} >http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/
}
} Nice. Do you have a couple of favorite posts from your blog?
} Something you’d like the ruby-talk/clr/ruby-forum to know about?
[…]
I only have a dozen posts, total, so I could be justified in suggesting
that you just read the whole thing, but I’ll point to a few I’m
particularly pleased with:
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/09/simple-flyweight-implementation_26.html
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/07/symbolickeyhash.html
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/05/kernelqualifiedconstget.html
} thanks,
} -pate
–Greg
How about someone post a comprehensive list of “ruby expert” blogs so that I
can add them to my RSS reader. I may not understand the topics yet, but
I’ve found that immersing myself in ruby has helped me quite a bit.
In addition to those already posted:
http://blog.codahale.com
http://weblog.jamisbuck.org/
chad fowler
prag dave
james gray
pat eyler
…honestly the best place to start is probably just to pick posters
who seem intelligent and google them…
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 08:21:44AM +0900, Jason M. wrote:
[…]
} How about someone post a comprehensive list of “ruby expert” blogs so
that I
} can add them to my RSS reader. I may not understand the topics yet,
but
} I’ve found that immersing myself in ruby has helped me quite a bit.
I won’t claim that this is a comprehensive list, but I’ll give you a
few.
First and foremost, there is _why and his Redhanded blog
http://redhanded.hobix.com/. In fact, the top post right now includes
a
list of quotes from Ruby luminaries with links to their presence on the
web, so that might be the comprehensive list you’re looking for.
I also like Ola B.'s blog http://ola-bini.blogspot.com/, which is
largely about JRuby.
David A. Black, author of Ruby for Rails, has a blog
http://dablog.rubypal.com/, but it isn’t as technical as might like
most
of the time.
Now, it’s up to you whether you want to consider me an “expert” or not,
but
the sort of stuff I put on my blog http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/ is
the sort of stuff I’d like to see from a Ruby “expert.”
–Greg
Giles B. wrote:
prag dave
james gray
pat eyler…honestly the best place to start is probably just to pick posters
who seem intelligent and google them…
Then again, just because someone is intelligent and has blogged about
Ruby, it isn’t necessarily the case that they are a “Ruby expert”. I’ve
certainly blogged about Ruby, but I don’t claim to be an expert with it.
In fact, if you go poking around RubyForge, you can see I’m clearly a
rank beginner in Ruby.
–
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, FBG, AB, PTA, PGS, MS, MNLP, NST, ACMC(P)
http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/
If God had meant for carrots to be eaten cooked, He would have given
rabbits fire.
On 12/30/06, James B. [email protected] wrote:
- Experts? Who decides? How 'bout we call the new list
“r00by-1337-h4x0rz!1!”
I for one think that’s an excellent name. +1
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
chad fowler
In fact, if you go poking around RubyForge, you can see I’m clearly a
rank beginner in Ruby.
Often what’s more useful than knowing is not knowing.
Some of the best blogs are from people asking interesting questions
rather than making assertions.
–
James B.
http://www.rubyaz.org - Hacking in the Desert
http://beginningruby.com - Beginning Ruby: The On-line Book
http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys
The Ruby website has some blogs and blog listings:
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/weblogs/
Maybe start there?
Apart from implementation which might be impossible it might be nice to
have
an instance (a person as a robot will not do 
) which just transfers
basic
posts into a newbie or basic list. All posts are made to the original ML
but
about 15-20% are transferred not because it is newbie but it has been
asked
agian and again and again.
Just an additional thaught, not a solution
Happy New Year C U 2007
Robert
–
“The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution
hasn’t started yet. Don’t be misled by the enormous flow of money into
bad
defacto standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations of
incomplete ideas.”
On 12/31/06, Giles B. [email protected] wrote:
james gray
pat eyler…honestly the best place to start is probably just to pick posters
who seem intelligent and google them…
Artima Forums - Ruby Buzz Forum has a nice line up
of ruby blog{,ger}s
martin
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 01:39:56AM +0900, James Edward G. II wrote:
Who decides who the experts are?
Those who have been thanked for useful answer on ruby-talk@,
I guess.
On 1/3/07, Michael S. [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 01:39:56AM +0900, James Edward G. II wrote:
Who decides who the experts are?
Those who have been thanked for useful answer on ruby-talk@,
I guess.
No good. I’ve been thanked.
/n00b
Hi –
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007, Michael S. wrote:
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 01:39:56AM +0900, James Edward G. II wrote:
Who decides who the experts are?
Those who have been thanked for useful answer on ruby-talk@,
I guess.
That would include me, but I don’t want to be put in a special
“experts” category or participate in any kind of stratification of the
community. I really hate all demarcation by levels, ranks, point
systems, and the rest of it. I know why they’re done, and why people
like them, but I find them very unappealing. That’s actually
something I’ve always treasured about the Ruby world: we don’t label
people “novice” and “apprentice” and “wizard” and all that. We just
talk to each other.
David
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