Google Wave: A new type of "Ruby Quiz"?

trevoke · November 16, 2009, 3:51pm

Google Wave is, according to Google, “the new email”. It combines email,
their idea of working together on same documents, and versioning
control. It has lots of potential.

I playfully created a simple class for playing cards and decks and
invited a few people to it, figuring we could reinvent git (because I
bet we can outsmart Linus, you know?) or at least toy around. Then,
someone asked if this was the spot for the new Ruby Q., and I got this
idea…
Instead of several people working separately on a small problem, why
don’t we have several people working together on a slightly bigger
problem?
My toy class for cards and decks could become a complete software for
playing cards online, complete with games, their own sets of rules, etc
etc… But if we wait for me to code all this, it’ll be a while! If,
instead, everyone pools in a bit, we can go much farther, much faster.
That’s only one example of a “bigger problem” … Maybe we just want to
implement a specific encryption algorithm, or something similar, or
create an important gem (like a gem to unrar, or something).

I’m clearly not reinventing anything - but maybe we can test the Wave’s
potential for this. What do you think?

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 12:37pm

okay seems good. can you elaborate on this a little more? Do you want
quizzes on wave? can we see the explanation of your cards and deck
class.

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 2:44pm

Arun K. wrote:

okay seems good. can you elaborate on this a little more? Do you want
quizzes on wave? can we see the explanation of your cards and deck
class.

Well, the Ruby quiz is about going out on your own and doing your own
thing, and then comparing solutions.
With Google Wave, we can do a ‘quiz’ with teamwork - so we can practice
teamwork. That’s the basic idea, anyway If you’re on google wave,
here’s what we had going so far:

I say ‘had’ because I haven’t seen anyone logged in in a while

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 7:35pm

Add me to the wave then

2009/12/11 Aldric G. [email protected]

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 7:53pm

2009/12/11 Benoit D. [email protected]:

Add me to the wave then

Me too !

Cheers

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 8:01pm

Fleck Jean-Julien wrote:

2009/12/11 Benoit D. [email protected]:

Add me to the wave then

Me too !

Cheers

Then, a GW address would be useful, so I know who to add!
Benoit has been added.

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 8:25pm

add me [email protected]

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 8:31pm

Then, a GW address would be useful, so I know who to add!
Benoit has been added.

It would be easier if you made it public:

http://www.google.com/support/wave/bin/answer.py?answer=162099&query=make+wave+public&type=

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 8:42pm

lith wrote:

Then, a GW address would be useful, so I know who to add!
Benoit has been added.

It would be easier if you made it public:
Google Wave 101
http://www.google.com/support/wave/bin/answer.py?answer=162099&query=make+wave+public&type=

Sure, that works too.
You should be able to find it now with a search like …
with:public ruby game newquiz

Two waves should come up, one is the conversation, one is the table of
content linking to the other waves with the code.

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 8:29pm

[email protected]

trevoke · December 12, 2009, 11:59pm

me too! [email protected] ( I know, not a google wave address… try
it anyway. )

trevoke · December 11, 2009, 10:34pm

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Then, a GW address would be useful, so I know who to add!
Benoit has been added.

Me as well please!
[email protected]

trevoke · December 13, 2009, 4:27am

plase add me [email protected]

    Agustin ViÃ±ao

www.agustinvinao.com.ar
agustinvinao (Skype)

trevoke · December 13, 2009, 11:51pm

Can you add me, [email protected]

2009/12/13 Agustin Nicolas Viñao Laseras [email protected]:

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Johnathon W. [email protected]
[email protected]

–

Pedro Del G.

Email : [email protected]

trevoke · December 13, 2009, 3:31am

I’ll hop on the bandwagon too: add me please! ([email protected])

trevoke · December 14, 2009, 3:33pm

Johnathon W. wrote:

me too! [email protected] ( I know, not a google wave address… try
it anyway. )

Didn’t work.
Everyone else should have two new waves… Unless one of my clicks didn’t
register

trevoke · December 14, 2009, 5:05pm

Rick Denatale wrote:

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Aldric G. [email protected]
wrote:

Google Wave is, according to Google, “the new email”. It combines email,
their idea of working together on same documents, and versioning
control. It has lots of potential.

So far, in my experience Google Wave has not worked very well.

Part of the problem is that it’s a confusing muddle of email, and
wiki. They claim to have (underlying?) version control, but it’s not
obvious other than the ability to ‘replay’ the history of the wave,
with no obvious way to recover a previous state.

A wave is really a document which in the wiki fashion, ‘anyone can
edit’, but I’ve found that users don’t really understand that when
they edit a wave, they are affecting every wave participant’s ‘copy’
of the wave, since there really is only one copy.

I set up a wave for a couple of technical groups, one accrued some
interesting contents, until someone, thinking of it as ‘email’ decided
to clean things up by deleting everything HE had already read. Which
deleted it for everyone.

I agree - it’s kind of a mish-mash at the moment, and I haven’t much
played with the “replay” function… If we can go back and forth, we
really should be able to fork, but it looks like we can’t.
Google is probably a bit like Microsoft when it comes to social
experiments… But googlewave is somewhat “mold-breaking” because it
attempts to establish a new convention. This being said, as it is open
source, there’s a lot of potential for Good™ there. People need to
learn, and that’s true of everything…

trevoke · December 14, 2009, 4:14pm

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Aldric G. [email protected]
wrote:

Google Wave is, according to Google, “the new email”. It combines email,
their idea of working together on same documents, and versioning
control. It has lots of potential.

So far, in my experience Google Wave has not worked very well.

Part of the problem is that it’s a confusing muddle of email, and
wiki. They claim to have (underlying?) version control, but it’s not
obvious other than the ability to ‘replay’ the history of the wave,
with no obvious way to recover a previous state.

A wave is really a document which in the wiki fashion, ‘anyone can
edit’, but I’ve found that users don’t really understand that when
they edit a wave, they are affecting every wave participant’s ‘copy’
of the wave, since there really is only one copy.

I set up a wave for a couple of technical groups, one accrued some
interesting contents, until someone, thinking of it as ‘email’ decided
to clean things up by deleting everything HE had already read. Which
deleted it for everyone.

So I’m seeing a lot of people playing with wave with no clear picture
of how it is intended to be used (I’m including myself in this), and
Google hasn’t as far as I can see given such a picture. I’m not
really sure that they have one themselves and that wave is still a big
social experiment to try to figure out what it really SHOULD be.
There are a few resources going out like Gina Trappani’s book on wave,
but right now, it seems to be worse than the wild wild west, or the
unexplored sea. It’s hard to know where the bandits and dragons are.

By the way, there are ways to have waves searchable by members of a
google group (e.g. the google group which follows ruby talk). You can
actually add the group as a participant using the groups email
address. Wave will seem to complain about it not being a wave
address, but it will work, and then members of the group can search
for the wave with the group: prefix to the search. (I’m doing this
from memory, so there might be some variations from what I just said,
but the function is, or at least was, there).

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trevoke · April 12, 2010, 4:10am

if the google wave group is still happening, my id is:

[email protected]

thanks!

trevoke · April 12, 2010, 2:50pm

Mike P. wrote:

if the google wave group is still happening, my id is:

[email protected]

thanks!

I haven’t seen anyone online (“onwave” ?) from the original group in a
while; maybe if someone came up with a new coding idea?