Convince me to buy TextMate!


#1

I got a Powerbook recently and am debating buying TextMate. I installed
the trial and have checked it out, but don’t see what’s so great about
it. AFAICS it’s the Ruby and Rails macros for expansion and other stuff
that might be it. Other than that, TextMate seems like a pretty basic
editor. I currently use PSPad and Editplus, and I could probably
get/make macros for those. Am I missing something about TextMate? I’ll
buy it if somebody can convince me!

Joe


#2

Dude, buy TextMate.

(Actually I don’t even have an Apple, but from what I hear, TextMate
has like untold secrets lurking within its manual. Or something.)

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#3

TextMate is just a nice editor. You can open entire directories with a
single command and have the whole project open at once(I know this is
available in other editor’s but it just seems nicer in textMate), plus
you
have all of the macros. The navigation in textMate is also very clean.
Read through the manual and just try it out, also it does not really
cost
that much so buying it is not like having to shell out the cash for
PhotoShop.

John


#4

Oh yeah, one big negative for me is that TextMate doesn’t support
editing remote files (like via s/ftp). I used NetDrive on Windows. I
suspect it’s possible with NFS, but I’ve never used that.

Joe


#5

On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 04:57:58AM +0200, Joe wrote:

Oh yeah, one big negative for me is that TextMate doesn’t support
editing remote files (like via s/ftp). I used NetDrive on Windows. I
suspect it’s possible with NFS, but I’ve never used that.

No, and I really missed that to begin with (one of my favourite features
in jEdit, for sure), but its Subversion integration is really good - not
the same thing, but it is possible to set up your projects in such a way
that it almost /feels/ the same… I have it working well here, using
ssh tunnelling with a dedicated user on the repos box - use public key
authentication, and restrict the user on the repos server so it is only
allowed to run the svnserve command, and you’re good to go. Takes a bit
of setting up, but it’s well worth the effort.

It also means you have two copies of your project - never a bad idea,
when disks are prone to badness…

I can see no reason why it shouldn’t work over NFS, if you are using a
reasonably up to date version to avoid file locking wobbliness. Or even
SMB, if that’s your weakness.

Oh yeah, and you have to buy it, coz I had a patch
committed to the code base!. Aw, c’mon, it’s a big thing for
me! :wink:

But apart from that, it is simply the best editor I have had the joy to
discover for several years.

Dan


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#6

I came to that very same conclusion. I prefer to use
JEdit for pure editing or RadRails (since I use to use
Eclipse in my Java days).

scott.

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#7

Joe wrote:

I got a Powerbook recently and am debating buying TextMate. I installed
the trial and have checked it out, but don’t see what’s so great about
it. AFAICS it’s the Ruby and Rails macros for expansion and other stuff
that might be it. Other than that, TextMate seems like a pretty basic
editor. I currently use PSPad and Editplus, and I could probably
get/make macros for those. Am I missing something about TextMate? I’ll
buy it if somebody can convince me!

Buy TextMate or I’ll shoot this puppy!

:stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve been a user of BBEdit since version 1.0, and while it truly doesn’t
suck, TextMate spanks it for ease of use. In terms of usability, the
only place I’ve seen where BBEdit wins is in find/replace when you don’t
want to search every file in your project.


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#8

I read - on TextMate’s web site, I’m pretty sure - that s/ftp support
will be in the next version (which is probably a paid upgrade). It also
appeared that TextMate may be merging with another editor?

Joe


#9

There’s a plugin for Transmit which will make your big negative
disappear.


#10

On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 04:57:58AM +0200, Joe wrote:

Oh yeah, one big negative for me is that TextMate doesn’t support
editing remote files (like via s/ftp). I used NetDrive on Windows. I
suspect it’s possible with NFS, but I’ve never used that.

The sooner you get out of this method of working, and switch over
to version control, the sooner you get one of the biggest productivity
boosts possible to a modern programmer NOT using version control.


– Tom M.


#11

On Apr 16, 2006, at 10:40 PM, Joe wrote:

boosts possible to a modern programmer NOT using version control.

I DO use version control. On the server. I don’t feel like checking
out
locally, editing, committing, updating, THEN seeing if stuff works.

Sorry for the bad assumption, I hate it when I do that! :frowning:

Set up a development environment on your local box. If it’s a laptop,
it’s so cool to be able to develop anywhere.

It’s easy to setup a local dev environment on a Mac, particularly
with Locomotive, and Rails includes fantastic support for this with
environments.


– Tom M.


#12

Tom M. wrote:

On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 04:57:58AM +0200, Joe wrote:

Oh yeah, one big negative for me is that TextMate doesn’t support
editing remote files (like via s/ftp). I used NetDrive on Windows. I
suspect it’s possible with NFS, but I’ve never used that.

The sooner you get out of this method of working, and switch over
to version control, the sooner you get one of the biggest productivity
boosts possible to a modern programmer NOT using version control.

I DO use version control. On the server. I don’t feel like checking out
locally, editing, committing, updating, THEN seeing if stuff works.

Joe


#13

Joe wrote:

I got a Powerbook recently and am debating buying TextMate. I installed
the trial and have checked it out, but don’t see what’s so great about
it. AFAICS it’s the Ruby and Rails macros for expansion and other stuff
that might be it. Other than that, TextMate seems like a pretty basic
editor. I currently use PSPad and Editplus, and I could probably
get/make macros for those. Am I missing something about TextMate? I’ll
buy it if somebody can convince me!

Joe

I don’t know if Quanta Plus runs on MacOs, but it’s all I need for web
development. It’s a great editor.


#14

On Apr 16, 2006, at 11:05 PM, Joe wrote:

It also
appeared that TextMate may be merging with another editor?

Joe

Ah yes, SubEthaMate… This started as a silly April Fools joke on
the Textmate mailing list and it’s prolly not very good for Allan if
people start spreading this around…

sebastian


#15

Joe

Half of TextMate magic comes from its plugins/bundles.
There is one for Rails that is very promising:
http://syncpeople.com/downloads/syncpeople_on_rails_features

It brings smarter navigation, Rails scripts easy access and, my
favourite feature, “Create Partial from Selection”

TM is also very keyboard friendly. From what I’ve seen, Radrails
requires a lot of mousing (but I could be wrong).

Alain


#16

Sebastian F. wrote:

On Apr 16, 2006, at 11:05 PM, Joe wrote:

It also
appeared that TextMate may be merging with another editor?

Joe

Ah yes, SubEthaMate… This started as a silly April Fools joke on
the Textmate mailing list and it’s prolly not very good for Allan if
people start spreading this around…

Ah… Here’s the post:
http://lists.macromates.com/pipermail/textmate/2006-April/009344.html

Damn, I guess that means sftp support was part of the joke?

Joe


#17

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It doesn’t support multi-byte!
Or I will buy it without any doubt.

It seems to have no problems with the Chinese(?) characters at the
bottom of your post. If it can do that without handling multibyte
characters, I’d like to know how…

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#18

It doesn’t support multi-byte!
Or I will buy it without any doubt.

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#19

Hi

It’s not an amazing feature but TM is full of these little things
that just feel natural.

I can only agree with this. TextMate does not do something
revolutionary but it does about everything you need and nothing more.
It’s no bloatware but quick and has a cleaned up interface.

The highlighting is brilliant - I don’t know any editors besides
TextMate, Vim and Emacs who can do nested highlighting (like Ruby
embedded in RHTML) as well as TextMate.

You can use any editor to edit text. If you are willing to pay 40
EUR, however, you get a really well honed product that does its task
really well and can be adjusted to the way you work pretty much via
macros.

Additionally, it feels like Os X more than BBEdit since it’s Cocoa
and not Carbon. I just downloaded the most current demo of BBEdit
and … well importing a project of mine took about 20 seconds (I
don’t feel that time when doing that with TM) and I had to chuckle at
BBEdit’s highlighting: It seems to support quite a number of
languages but it does neither support Ruby out of the box nor does it
support nested highlighting as TM does.

The author of this blog entry brings up pretty much the same points,
too: http://scottstuff.net/blog/articles/2005/09/09/farewell-sweet-
xemacs

Regards,

Manuel


#20

2006/4/17, Joe removed_email_address@domain.invalid:>

I DO use version control. On the server. I don’t feel like checking out
locally, editing, committing, updating, THEN seeing if stuff works.

So you don’t use version control to help with multiple people working
on the same codebase? Do you all just commit together? Or is this a
sing-developer-only setup?

Douglas