… and I still do not know if the lobster liked dinner!
On Thursday 21 August 2008 15:56:14 Matt H. wrote:
A mascot for a grown-up programming language has a version which is nude???
gasp Nudity! That could never be art…
Or a logo…
http://www.deadprogrammer.com/starbucks-logo-mermaid
I’m glad this mascot isn’t widely acknowledged as it
is not only irrelevant to ruby, it’s also quite childish.
Well, hey, one more:
And, of course, some variations:
http://www.cafepress.com/wxpython
Quite childish, and somewhat less to do with the origin of the name
(which is
Monty Python, not actual pythons).
I would hope that if Ruby did officially adopt a mascot it would be much
more suited to it’s task.
Well, again – see Starbucks.
I’m not really sure how you would make a logo relevant, here.
At the end of the day, Ruby is about making programming easier, and
about
making the computer work for you. I honestly have trouble figuring out
how to
put that into a logo – a robot in a maid uniform? A happy person
sitting at
a computer?
Some of the better-known logos in software
have NOTHING to do with their projects, either in name or in content.
At least ruby-chan has red hair! And she looks pretty – Ruby is also
about
beautiful code. Could be argued that it’s about sexy code, but I’ll say
no
more about that.
I’m just playing Devil’s Advocate. I like Ruby-chan, but I also see
value in
not having a mascot.
I have no opinion either way, other than “Kawaii!”
Hi –
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, David M. wrote:
Starbucks isn’t my role model as a Rubyist (or in any other respect).
At least ruby-chan has red hair! And she looks pretty – Ruby is also about
beautiful code. Could be argued that it’s about sexy code, but I’ll say no
more about that.
A human female is not an appropriate choice for a “mascot.” Here’s
what I wrote about it more than seven years ago, when this alarming
suggestion first reared its head:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/14209
David
On Aug 21, 8:26 pm, Joshua B. [email protected] wrote:
Ruby has _why, ergo no need for a mascot!
Actually, didn’t _why create this duck to be a ruby mascot?
http://redhanded.hobix.com/images/redhanded-duck.gif
I like it! :D, but If you haven´t read all post before please do it,
There are many position in the discussion:
- Ruby doesn’t need mascot.
- Mascot must be male.
- Ruby already have one ( an pretty manga-girl, with a nude version!
cool,
isn´t it?). - It must be Human or Animal
- Matz must decide
- …
2008/8/22 Karl von Laudermann [email protected]
On Aug 21, 8:26 pm, Joshua B. [email protected] wrote:
Ruby has _why, ergo no need for a mascot!
Actually, didn’t _why create this duck to be a ruby mascot?
http://redhanded.hobix.com/images/redhanded-duck.gif–
Pablo Q.
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Pablo Q. [email protected] wrote:
I like it! :D, but If you haven´t read all post before please do it,
There are many position in the discussion:
- Mascot must be male.
I don’t think that was David’s point at all. I think he believes that
a human mascot is generally a bad idea.
- Ruby already have one ( an pretty manga-girl, with a nude version! cool,
isn´t it?).
I think the girl is cute, but especially the nude version is a bit
patronizing. We should think about what female programmers will think
of Ruby upon encountering that. I’m sure the feelings will be varied,
but I suspect that’d seem a bit offensive to at least some people.
-greg
From my point of view the ruby-mascot discussion is moot, because it’s
too late. Perl got its camel (from the “Camel Book”) in 1991. (Or
maybe it already had the camel before the book, I’m not sure). Python
has had… well, a Python since basically its inception. BSD’s daemon
originated in 1976(!). Linux has had Tux since 1996.
Ruby has been around since the mid 90s and still has no
widely-recognized mascot. At this point I think it’s a little late to
be trying to “backport” in a mascot. It would just feel forced and
artificial.
However, if some folks feel we absolutely must have a mascot, I
nominate a nice thick slice of chunky bacon.
Avdi
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Avdi G. [email protected] writes:
From my point of view the ruby-mascot discussion is moot, because it’s
too late. Perl got its camel (from the “Camel Book”) in 1991. (Or
maybe it already had the camel before the book, I’m not sure). Python
has had… well, a Python since basically its inception. BSD’s daemon
originated in 1976(!). Linux has had Tux since 1996.
Note that Perl’s camel is not actually the official mascot; it just
looks like that because for years by far the best book on perl had
that camel on the cover. Perl/Camel combinations are still AFAIK an
O’Reilly trademark.
IIRC Amsterdam.pm even got in some hot water with O’Reilly for
suggesting this as a logo for the Amsterdam edition of YAPC-Europe,
some years ago:
http://amsterdam.pm.org/.32PyNd.gif
Ruby has been around since the mid 90s and still has no
widely-recognized mascot. At this point I think it’s a little late to
be trying to “backport” in a mascot. It would just feel forced and
artificial.However, if some folks feel we absolutely must have a mascot, I
nominate a nice thick slice of chunky bacon.
Getting to the point: whatever “the ruby logo/mascot” will be(come),
will be whatever iconic image is on “the best ruby book”. Personally,
when I think about a ruby logo at all, I think of the “ruby gem” that
pragmatic programmers uses. Not much of a mascot, though.
Still, ruby is 45 years younger than Lisp, and THEY don’t have any
kind of standard mascot either: http://lisperati.com/logo.html
i’m a graphic designer. 
(if you need some one to draw or create
the mascot)
personaly, i think the best of all mascot that Ruby could have is a
racoon it fits perfect with it (not only related to de ruby and the
funny interest of racoons with shiny things) because it is the animal
that always search for the easy way to take what it needs, it is one of
the most agile, smart, fast and dexterous animals in the world (don’t
forget that they have learned to use their hands and finger like human
hands and fingers in a lot of their needs) and i think that Ruby is
exactly that, it search the easiest ways to do the things, it is a smart
programing lenguage, and c’mon ruby is the only lenguage that learns to
use every word and object like the human brain… there are a lot of
behaviours more, well it is just my opinion ^^
any way, if you need someone to help with the design of anything just
contact me 
(sorry for my bad english :P)
Emmanuel R.
[email protected]
I think that this is the reason of why If it´s a Manga, it must be a
girl (
http://www.yoshidam.net/Ruby-chan/):
“The OS-tans are the moe anthropomorphism/personification of several
operating systems by various amateur Japanese artists. The OS-tans are
typically depicted as women, with the OS-tans representative of
Microsoft
Windows operating systems usually depicted as sisters of varying ages.”
It´s an kind of Ruby Prog-tan!
2008/8/22 Emmanuel R. [email protected]
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Gregory B.
[email protected]wrote:
of Ruby upon encountering that. I’m sure the feelings will be varied,
but I suspect that’d seem a bit offensive to at least some people.
Well FWIW, I just showed Ruby to a female coworker, and she thought
that:
- She was cute and
- The nude version showed that she was both flexible, and quite
appropriate for Ruby the language, agile!
–
Rick DeNatale
My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Rick DeNatale [email protected]
wrote:
I think the girl is cute, but especially the nude version is a bit
patronizing. We should think about what female programmers will think
of Ruby upon encountering that. I’m sure the feelings will be varied,
but I suspect that’d seem a bit offensive to at least some people.Well FWIW, I just showed Ruby to a female coworker, and she thought that:
- She was cute and
- The nude version showed that she was both flexible, and quite
appropriate for Ruby the language, agile!
Now just show that to most other female Ruby programmers and we’ll see
how they feel. I think my girlfriend probably find the manga cute.
But then again, she is Asian, and not put off by nudity.
But I cannot assume the same about most people. How many of you male
programmers would like a large, muscular, naked man as our Ruby logo?
I think that would be awesome, but I’m not sure you’ll all agree…
-greg
Joost D. wrote:
Still, ruby is 45 years younger than Lisp, and THEY don’t have any
kind of standard mascot either: http://lisperati.com/logo.html
35 years, actually: Ruby celebrated its 15th birthday this year, Lisp
its 50th.
jwm
2008/8/22 Rick DeNatale [email protected]:
I think the girl is cute, but especially the nude version is a bit
Rick DeNataleMy blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/
OK then!
What about the gem from the front cover of the famous book, with a
tail, (of bacon?) and legs holding a pickaxe? That way it could be
naked too and be female at the same time because no one would know
what the sexuality of the gem was?
I’ve never understood the emacs logo and I didn’t know one for lisp
existed. Is there one for bash, awk, sed…
Gregory B. wrote:
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Rick DeNatale [email protected]
wrote:I think the girl is cute, but especially the nude version is a bit
patronizing. We should think about what female programmers will think
of Ruby upon encountering that. I’m sure the feelings will be varied,
but I suspect that’d seem a bit offensive to at least some people.How many of you male
programmers would like a large, muscular, naked man as our Ruby logo?
Why is everyone so focused on the nude drawing? There are other
drawings on that page you know! In particular, this one embodies all
the cuteness of Ruby-chan without being offensive to Westerners:
http://www.yoshidam.net/Ruby-chan/rbcc2.gif
We should appreciate the fact that, in the spirit of the Ruby language’s
TIMTOWTDI philosophy, Yoshida-san has drawn several variations of the
mascot on our behalf. Choose the one that suits you best and be happy!
enjoy if drawings.find {|d| self.acceptable? d }
NOT:
complain unless drawings.all? {|d| self.acceptable? d }
ma-ttaku!
you are right… there are too many people just talking about the nude
girl…
any way… i don’t like the manga girl for two reasons: if you put red
hair manga girl on google you get 160.000 images, where almost there are
50.000 diferent girls… what i’m saying is that it’s not original at
all…
is not like the pinguin of linux, may there be a lot of pinguin drawings
but tux is tux…all manga characters (well almost all of them) only
diference for their hair…
an other thing is that the mascot should be EASY TO MAKE… that’s why
you don’t see a full painted and drawed super hero as a logo, maybe
there are their siluete, simple lines or representative things but not a
complete person.
The ruby girl could be as a Special character for ruby (like a tutorial
guide or inviting ruby things) and a mascot (for general porpuse, like
identiti, simbol, mark, etc…)
here is a small example about the mascot that i suggest 
it is just a
fast design… not to much detailed and a lot of errors but it is quite
close what i think
what you say?
http://www.encrucijadaheroes.com.ar/rudycopia.jpg
Jörg W Mittag [email protected] writes:
Joost D. wrote:
Still, ruby is 45 years younger than Lisp, and THEY don’t have any
kind of standard mascot either: http://lisperati.com/logo.html35 years, actually: Ruby celebrated its 15th birthday this year, Lisp
its 50th.
You’re right, of course.
Emmanuel R. wrote:
The ruby girl could be as a Special character for ruby (like a tutorial
guide or inviting ruby things) and a mascot (for general porpuse, like
identiti, simbol, mark, etc…)
Unless I’m mistaken, I think someone googled for “ruby manga”, and then
pretended an artist had ever heard of our little programming language…
Emmanuel R. wrote:
here is a small example about the mascot that i suggest
fast design… not to much detailed and a lot of errors but it is quite
close what i thinkwhat you say?
http://www.encrucijadaheroes.com.ar/rudycopia.jpg
http://www.encrucijadaheroes.com.ar/Rudycopia.jpg
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