On 1 ene, 00:13, Chuck R. [email protected] wrote:
Much like watching a car accident in slow motion, I could scarcely
believe my eyes when reading Zed S.'s screed on Ruby & Rails on his
Zed’s personal arguments but I I had to agree on some of them.
I know I shouldn’t give an attention whore that which he so
desperately seeks, but I can’t help myself. I’m the guy down on the
street shouting for the idiot on the ledge to jump. Not only has he
jumped, but he has promised “future installments” to complete the
tragedy. I cannot look away; I don’t want to look away.
Let me ask you, you enjoy watching the guy about to jump, desperately
waiting he just loose the only thing is holding him with life, or you
try to convince him that life have bad and good things and he
shouldn’t jump just because something bad happened to him?
Any how… I think Kevin C. labeled him correctly. See Zed’s rant
for the background on this reference.
Mmm, I wouldn’t say “KC was correct”, that makes you put a label on
someone you don’t know, someone who didn’t spoke directly to you or
you didn’t meet, that is worse than using bad words when speaking
about someone isn’t present at that time.
If I was in a position to do so, I am sorely tempted to hire him just
to fire him right away.
I don’t find that funny, honestly.
Thankfully the mongrel project is in sane hands. He did a wonderful
job developing mongrel for which he deserves full credit. His rant and
apparent abandonment of Ruby is just peculiar in light of his past
Yes, he did and I can say that I miss some of the clear guidance he
provided to the project:
flight low, keep it small, if ain’t broke don’t fix it.
A community with a significant reputation for helping novices and
welcoming newbies doesn’t have a lot of room for cranks. I hope Zed is
welcomed by the community(ies) focused on his next language choice;
based on his personality traits, I’d say he should join the LISP
community ASAP. Even they might find him to be a bit much.
Actually, Amy Joy (from Slash7) wrote an excellent article about Help
Vampires  a long time ago, a long time before Rails and Mongrel
became the “new defacto” or Ruby became “the next big thing”.
I’ve encountered a lot of times questions asked all-over-again, users
that din’t research (hey, they even didn’t hit search button) – and
google make that so easy to happen.
Also, that happens with some “consultant” companies too, they don’t
hire knowledge, they hire fingers, the more the merrier, the less they
pay and the faster you can type, the better (yes, no matter what you
I can’t speak of TW, but I know some of them, mostly unrealted to Ruby
I don’t have MBA or BS degrees, I didn’t finshed my engineering career
neither, I just have a bachelor title, nothing more.
I’ve been with ruby since 2001, way before Rails, way before it worked
right under Windows (yeah, I can do Linux and *nix too).
I was also on Python, and Lua, and had more success embedding the
later than Ruby.
Zed is a great human being, no matter if his language/framework choice
isn’t shared with you. I’ll like to quote something Matz. showed in
his RubyConf presentation:
Python: One True Way
Now replace Python with Rails. Diversity is what let people with
different thoughts can live along, if you don’t agree with Zed, you
can show your point of view, like he did, and others will agree with
you, or not.
But please, don’t put labels to others that you don’t know, and if you
know Zed, word it correctly.
“I know Zed and he is a complete moron” – which wouldn’t be polite,
but is your personal oppinion about him.
Like Zed, we all have some differences with other users in the
community. Zed didn’t stab all the members of it, nor Ruby nor Rails,
but lot of folks must agree that Rails is becoming the next Java.
I start hearing the ‘enterprisy’ word too much lately. Like Zed and
guess a bunch of folks started with Ruby for the joy of programming,
not to make a few bucks with it.
Abuse of our love for it (from consultants, contractors or peers)
stress us and remove the joy of even enter in #ruby-lang to hang out a
So please, if you have something different (and constructive) to say
about this, go ahead, write a personal post like Zed did I’ll love to
share also my comments.
Have a nice Year! (2008 just started!)