Any thoughts on this? I am contemplating a switch from a Windows
platform to Linux. Thanks!
Things are generally better in Linux. Including Rails development.
On Feb 15, 11:27 am, Cheri R. [email protected]
Better go for linux while developing… Make it completely open
source…
Skywalker wrote:
Better go for linux while developing… Make it completely open
source…
Do you know of a good MySQL GUI for Linux?
I run sqlyog(http://www.webyog.com/en/) in wine on Linux.
You should definitely go with Linux cause everything(rails, gems,
plugins) works fine in Linux. Sooner or later, you’d run into trouble
with windows.
I use VMware player to run Linux in windows.
Cheri R. wrote:
Skywalker wrote:
Better go for linux while developing… Make it completely open
source…Do you know of a good MySQL GUI for Linux?
I actually like Windows (and even Vista!). I know I am crazy. Even
still, I used Linux for Rails development. In Windows, Ruby runs slower,
libraries don’t always work, things often weren’t tested and fail in
some obscure way. Basically, Linux for Rails development (or Mac if
possible) will make developing rails a saner experience.
I hate to be “that crazy Mac guy” but I have found that Mac OS X is an
excellent platform for development. The development environment is
much closer to Linux than Windows, which is good for my eventual
deployment target. Leopard 10.5 comes with rails ready to go. The
performance of “everything at once” is stellar on my MacBook. The
toolset is what really makes the difference, though.
Here’s the dev setup I use:
- TextMate as my editor/IDE is awesome. iRb is a snap and I can make
it feel just like emacs. - CSSEdit is an amazing app for live CSS authoring.
- To do cross platform browser testing, I use Parallels to run both
Windows and Linux. On the same platform I can test browsers for the
“big three” OSes. - There are some amazing vector and image editors out there. I use
Intaglio, VectorDesigner, and Pixelmator. All cheaper than going the
heavyweight Adobe route, and just as good for my purposes (or better). - I use OmniFocus and OmniPlan for planning, OmniOutliner for
brainstorming, and OmniGraffle for knocking out quick diagrams and
such. - Then there is Automator and Forklift for automating routine tasks,
1Password for managing all my passwords and such, Fetch for SFTP,
MySQL Administrator and Query Browser and Spotlight/Quicksilver/
Preview combo for keeping all of my Pragmatic Programmers PDF books at
my fingertips
Mac gives me the best of all worlds so I don’t have to make choices
between windows and linux, and I really get best in class editors,
productivity apps, and graphic design tools.
On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Cheri R. [email protected]
Using Rails you should have no need for a mysql admin GUI tool. I’m
having
deja vu…
I love using Linux for my development because it just seems easier and
more
hassle free.
Jeremy Mayhew wrote:
I hate to be “that crazy Mac guy” but I have found that Mac OS X is an
Mac’s simply rule for ruby development as nothing beats TextMate but
since I can’t afford one, I use VimRuby on Arch Linux(both at home and
at work)… Arch is simply divine in it’s simplicity, configuration,
maintainability as long as you are willing to get your hands dirty with
some configuration files…
A friend showed me “InstantRails” at work and it attempts to hold your
hands for the entire development cycle thereby robbing newbies to
actually understand what’s going on beneath the hood…
ilan
Cheri R. wrote:
Skywalker wrote:
Better go for linux while developing… Make it completely open
source…Do you know of a good MySQL GUI for Linux?
I use TOra and sometimes mysql-navigator
Cheri R. wrote:
Any thoughts on this? I am contemplating a switch from a Windows
platform to Linux. Thanks!
I use Linux for developing because I use Linux full stop but I’m still
not sure why it’s better to develop things on Linux and I was hoping
someone would give a clear cut answer as to why it’s the case but as yet
no-one has…any takers?
The main advantage of working in Linux, IMO, is that you have the
ability to drop down into C and do some low-level programming if you
find it necessary (generally for performance). Consequently, some
things just run faster on Linux than they ever will on a Win platform
(which, I believe, is still compiled using VC++ 6.0 and might be
slower than necessary at this point!).
I’d second @yaxm’s recommendation of VMWare. If you have a reasonably
fast disk (7200+ RPM) you’ll have good response from your VM and you
can go ‘full screen’ so it’s almost like using it as your native
environment. You’ll probably want to have 2GB of RAM for decent
performance. This is the route I’ve gone because I don’t want to lose
all the stuff I’ve got on my Win laptop.
@Ryan: Why denigrate the desire for a GUI? People don’t just give up
their development preferences just because you’re using Rails. While
I use a GUI less and less, I sometimes find that it is significantly
quicker to get a quick visual scan of the db to diagnose some
problems.
On Feb 15, 1:27 pm, Cheri R. [email protected]
On Feb 16, 7:43 pm, Phil T. [email protected]
wrote:
Cheri R. wrote:
Any thoughts on this? I am contemplating a switch from a Windows
platform to Linux. Thanks!I use Linux for developing because I use Linux full stop but I’m still
not sure why it’s better to develop things on Linux and I was hoping
someone would give a clear cut answer as to why it’s the case but as yet
no-one has…any takers?Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.
I have just gone through the process of switching my laptop from
windows to Fedora 8
I had windows xp, and to be honest I could not complain, I had
installed loads of stuff on it over the last three years and it has
behaved pretty well. I had all the apps I wanted, but it had just
recently ground to a halt, primarily because I had installed the full
avg which is a killer (avg free was great, but the whole package is
just too heavy for my machine). Also as I have said in another post,
I was using RadRails and it had also become too resource hungry.
Opening Adobe reader with Agile rails added to the pain. (It opens in
Evince in Linux like a flash - excuse the pun)
Having spent the last week getting everything together under Fedora, I
am now well happy. In fact I was intending to re-install windows as a
dual boot, but gparted very successfully shrunk the windows partition
for me (after uninstalling most of the large apps first), so the old
xp remained intact, meaning I didnt lose windows whilst setting up
Fedora. I am still having some problems getting all the Firefox media
plugins working satisfactorily, but that is just a matter of time.
My main reason for switching to Linux is that I dont want to stay in
the Windows path - ie. I really dont want to go to Vista. I have to
support it occasionally and I find it really annoying that so much has
been needlessly changed.
Having Linux on as my main development machine was an experiment - the
MAC path was tempting since one of my customers is going down that
route, but I really want to promote open source. I was prepared to
abandon the conversion if I hit any major obstacles, but at the end of
the first week, I am now content. Working every day on my development
system on my laptop under linux means that I shall now gain more linux
experience and knowledge, rather than spending time fixing windows and
trying to find non expensive windows options.
So my main tools I now have installed are:
- Firefox (my profile transferred from windows with no issues -
including plugins like Web developer and Firebug.). - Thunderbird (again with profile transferred from windows with no
issues) - openoffice
- Netbeans (I have switched from RadRails and it looks very
promising) - Pidgin - for msn, (very easy to set up)- and also has irc
capabilty - I want to start using the rails channel - Mysql and Mysql gui (all install directly with yum - I use yumex)
- openvpn - the network manager that comes with Fedora nicely
combines handling of wireless and wired LAN and the vpn connection. - xine for playing dvds
- the Fedora package manager handles installation of Ruby, Rails and
also a number of the plugins. - Wine. This automatically found the dlls on the windows partition
etc and so just works (again installed by the package manager). The
one windows app I didnt want to lose was Serif Photoplus, which I use
for creating most of my images. After installing wine, I put the
Photoplus disk in and it installed and ran first time. (I just need
to fix the fonts - I remember having to do that on a previous use of
Wine and IE4Linux so it is possible, I have just got to find out how
again).
Well that’s about it, Linux on my laptop is running rock solid - with
everything I need - wireless was a bit fiddly initially, but no worse
than windows was and is now running soundly. (I have yet to find out
how it copes with moving between several different wireless networks,
although I reckon it looks promising).
So back to your question - why change? I would say this - the great
thing about Rails is that you dont need to. Using Windows as someone
has said is fine. I am happy that I have now proved to myself that I
can use Linux for all my desktop requirements as well as the server
needs, I cant advise clients to do it if I havn’t succeeded myself. I
think the Linux system now runs better and faster than the windows did
- the fan doesnt go into overdrive anything like as much, but that is
marginal. My main motivation - I just really like the open source
community and want to get much more knowledgeable on Linux. In the
end, it seems to me, your reasons will really just be your own.
regards
tonypm
Phil T. wrote:
I use Linux for developing because I use Linux full stop but I’m still
not sure why it’s better to develop things on Linux and I was hoping
someone would give a clear cut answer as to why it’s the case but as yet
no-one has…any takers?
The two leading platforms in the world are Windows and Linux (with
MacOSX in
third place). They differ by both usability and technology.
I’m typing on Windows right now. It has the best usability in the world,
simply because MS has (had) the resources to actually research
usability,
and do “time and motion studies” on people using their interfaces. For
example, if you minimize a window, and if you use Alt+Tab to look for it
(/mirabile dictu!!/) you can bring it back!
Linux is not afraid to copy Windows, at this level of convenience. I use
Ubuntu on my notebook. Ubuntu is “for people who can’t learn to use
Debian”,
and that is a good thing. Ubuntu climbed to the top of the (very wide)
Linux distro heap simply by obeying the user’s needs.
MacOSX, by contrast, is run by zealots afflicted by an obsequious
compulsion
to differ from Windows wherever it’s inconvenient. We use it at work,
and at
least, after almost a decade of life, Alt+Tab switches between top-level
applications. But if you minimize a window, Alt+Tab will not reach it.
This
idiocy beggars the imagination, and MacOSX is unbelievably full of it.
Technologically, there’s a reason programmers love the Unices (Linux,
and
the FreeBSD inside MacOSX). Of course Free Software is wonderful, but MS
could compete with it easily if they dropped their corporate mandate to
commit “Vendor Lockin” by any means necessary. For example, ASP.NET
makes
unit testing your code absurdly difficult for one reason - MS uses it to
promote their feeble web server, IIS. If you could tell ASP.NET to
format a
web page in isolation from its server, so you could test it, then you
could
conceivably serve that page thru Apache. MS uses its tools to control
programmers. Free Software gives programmers they can control, and
that’s
why Free Software will always win.
Ever since I learned to develop websites, I have used this platform:
- a Linux running on a lite server
- Samba linking its drive to my Windows desktop
- a Windows editor, such as Visual Studio
- CygWin, with remote X, over SSH, running Konsole
Best of both worlds!
–
Phlip
http://assert2.rubyforge.org/
I have just gone through the process of switching my laptop from
windows to Fedora 8
For the love of the diety or not of your choosing - why? It has pitiful
usability…
What does your Delete key do today?
I had windows xp, and to be honest I could not complain, I had
installed loads of stuff on it over the last three years and it has
behaved pretty well. I had all the apps I wanted, but it had just
recently ground to a halt, primarily because I had installed the full
avg which is a killer (avg free was great, but the whole package is
just too heavy for my machine).
Windows will never fix their heap management. I have heard they will
frag
memory after chronic use. This frags their swap file and slows them
down.
My main reason for switching to Linux is that I dont want to stay in
the Windows path - ie. I really dont want to go to Vista.
In some circles, Vista is considered the greatest thing that ever
happened
to Ubuntu.
–
Phlip
On Feb 17, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Phlip wrote:
The two leading platforms in the world are Windows and Linux (with
MacOSX in
third place). They differ by both usability and technology. I’m
typing on Windows right now. It has the best usability in the world,
cough
simply because MS has (had) the resources to actually research
usability,
and do “time and motion studies” on people using their interfaces. For
example, if you minimize a window, and if you use Alt+Tab to look
for it
(/mirabile dictu!!/) you can bring it back!
I think you are incorrect here (unless we were having this argument
in 1995)
The word Usability shouldnt even be used in the same sentence as
microsoft.
Find the videos on the net of the microsoft “usability” team talking
about designing vista…she openly talks about apple being an
inspiration for vista as they are usability experts!! Theres other
videos interviewing gates and he openly talks about shifting energy to
place some more focus on usability (like apple).
“Downgrade” to vista from xp…use it…and then “upgrade” back to XP
and u will find XP is actually more “usable” than vista. MS seem to
think making a good os is about lots of fluffy tweens and a shiny new
interface…it is a pig dog!
Linux is not afraid to copy Windows, at this level of convenience. I
use
Ubuntu on my notebook. Ubuntu is “for people who can’t learn to use
Debian”,
and that is a good thing. Ubuntu climbed to the top of the (very
wide)
Linux distro heap simply by obeying the user’s needs.
Who cares who folows who…Im gonna use the system that gets it right.
MacOSX, by contrast, is run by zealots afflicted by an obsequious
compulsion
to differ from Windows wherever it’s inconvenient. We use it at
work, and at
least, after almost a decade of life, Alt+Tab switches between top-
level
applications. But if you minimize a window, Alt+Tab will not reach
it. This
idiocy beggars the imagination, and MacOSX is unbelievably full of it.
Obviously a Microsoft Share holder who’s ex girlfriend left him for
someone with a mac.
Disregard his comment
it to
promote their feeble web server, IIS. If you could tell ASP.NET to
format a
web page in isolation from its server, so you could test it, then
you could
conceivably serve that page thru Apache. MS uses its tools to control
programmers. Free Software gives programmers they can control, and
that’s
why Free Software will always win.
“The entire Rails core team is using TextMate on Mac OS X” !!!
theres a good reason for that…
Linux for Servers, Macs for productivity, windows for Solitare!
tonypm wrote:
So my main tools I now have installed are:
- Firefox (my profile transferred from windows with no issues -
…
Don’t forget AVG, the free antivirus software!