Why there's no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer?


#1

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why there’s no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx


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#2

Arie Kusuma A. wrote:

http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167

why there’s no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx

The source for Ruby 1.8.4 was released less than 24 hours ago.

An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
binaries for the one-click. This takes time and effort.

Curt H. is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.

Merry Christmas,

James B.

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#3

On 12/24/05, James B. removed_email_address@domain.invalid wrote:

Curt H. is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
very list, that it may take a few weeks for the 1.8.4 one-click to
appear. Please go find that message and read the reasons.

Thanks, James.

The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself). All of these have to be updated to
the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
am not familiar with so I need to ave others test them for me).

All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).

Thanks for your patience,
Curt


#4

Curt H. wrote:

Curt H. is that actual human being, and he has already said, on this
All this takes time (and I still have a day job, too).
I think there’s some confusion caused by the fact that so much
cross-platform Free software nowadays includes a Windows binary as an
intrinsic part of the release. When Firefox went to 1.5, or
OpenOffice.org went to 2.01, there was a Windows installable waiting for
everyone.

Since the One-Click Installer is /not/ an intrinsic part of the Ruby
release, of course this doesn’t happen.


#5

John W. Kennedy wrote:

An actual human being must now take that source and assemble the
the latest versions, compiled, installed, and tested (some of these I
Since the One-Click Installer is /not/ an intrinsic part of the Ruby
release, of course this doesn’t happen.

A rational request from a simple user: “where is the 1.8.4
win-one-click-installer?”

status:

explanations from the community:

  • the 1.8.4 release was just befort 24h
  • build-test-packaging process is not automated
  • the build-manager has dependencies to external testers
  • this installer is not an intrinsic part of Ruby

Possible Solutions:

a) provide an automation for build-test-packaging
b) reduce complexity of packaging process (simplify distribution)
c) convince 3rd party to provide distribution

ActiveState has introduced Ruby into it’s Komodo IDE,

http://activestate.com/ruby.plex

and should be intrested to provide a distribution (ActiveRuby), similar
to those for other languages, e.g. Python:

http://activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/?pysbx=1

[CC to ActiveState]

TAG.ruby.evolution.distribution


#6

Arie Kusuma A. ha scritto:

http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=167

why there’s no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx

please notice that even if it is not a one-click installer you can get a
win32 version of ruby from here:
http://www.garbagecollect.jp/ruby/mswin32/en/download/release.html

It does not include many of the goodies that are available with the
one-click-installer, such as fxruby,scite or programming ruby in chm
format, but it works fine (except for readline).

Oh well, thanks to all the people providing ruby builds for us poor
win32 users :slight_smile:


#7

2005/12/27, gabriele renzi removed_email_address@domain.invalid:

Arie Kusuma A. ha scritto:

why there’s no ruby 1.8.4 for win-one-click-installer? thx

please notice that even if it is not a one-click installer you can get a
win32 version of ruby from here:
http://www.garbagecollect.jp/ruby/mswin32/en/download/release.html

It does not include many of the goodies that are available with the
one-click-installer, such as fxruby,scite or programming ruby in chm
format, but it works fine (except for readline).

Yet Another Ruby for windows user is ActiveScriptRuby.

http://arton.hp.infoseek.co.jp/index.html

You can get ASR 1.8.4.1 now.

Regards,

Masayoshi ‘Maki’ Takahashi


#8

It might not be too difficult to include options of including or
excluding
extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer.
:wink:

Sung Soo


#9

On Dec 26, 2005, at 12:06 AM, Curt H. wrote:

The one-click installer includes a number of Ruby extensions (in
addition to Ruby 1.8.4, itself).

I wonder if you might be able to trim it back a bit. Perhaps survey
your userbase and try to determine how much each extension is being
used?

Or consider doing Min and Max versions?

–Steve

[Personally, I just want ruby, rubygems, and docs]


#10

On 12/29/05, James B. removed_email_address@domain.invalid wrote:

Sung Soo K. wrote:

It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer. :wink:

Examples of how to do this are welcome.

Basically the various extensions need to be split out into named
SubSections in the ruby.nsi file, and the ‘components’ page should be
flagged for display.
If it would help, I can make these changes and submit a patch against
the trunk.

I maintain an NSI-based installer that does a lot of conditional work,
so I’m comfortable with the syntax.

–Wilson.


#11

Sung Soo K. wrote:

It might not be too difficult to include options of including or excluding
extensions in the installer, even though I love the previous installer. :wink:

Examples of how to do this are welcome.

James

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#12

On Dec 30, 2005, at 12:10 AM, Curt H. wrote:

And to Stephen: I have been (and will continue) to cut back on
included extensions as RubyGems continues to pick up the slack.

Thanks Curt, sounds great!

–Steve


#13

On 12/29/05, Wilson B. removed_email_address@domain.invalid wrote:

SubSections in the ruby.nsi file, and the ‘components’ page should be
flagged for display.
If it would help, I can make these changes and submit a patch against the trunk.

I maintain an NSI-based installer that does a lot of conditional work,
so I’m comfortable with the syntax.

–Wilson.

I already do this for many/most of the extensions, but doing so
actually increases the work to prepare a new release, and does not
reduce it. the work required is not in the NSIS installer script, it
is in properly builging, including, and testing the extensions.

And to Stephen: I have been (and will continue) to cut back on
included extensions as RubyGems continues to pick up the slack.

Curt


#14

But, except for the Tk/Fox stuff, is it possible to drop it in to an
existing Windows 1.8.2.x installation and have things work hunkydory?