2009/8/22 Robert D. [email protected]:
But the person must come first. And Internet reputation might be a
problem for everyone of us. Thus please do not use terms like dick
move even if you explain your ideas nicely. Search engines for
recruiters will not read your balancing post.
Aargh - you had to go and spoil it by bringing up recruiters 
A
recruiter who would screen me out for having used the phrase âdick
moveâ in a mailing list post in which I was speaking for myself[1] has
failed both as a recruiter and as a human being.
martin
[1] if i was officially speaking for my employer, that would be
different
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Martin DeMello[email protected]
wrote:
2009/8/22 Robert D. [email protected]:
But the person must come first. And Internet reputation might be a
problem for everyone of us. Thus please do not use terms like dick
move even if you explain your ideas nicely. Search engines for
recruiters will not read your balancing post.
Aargh - you had to go and spoil it by bringing up recruiters A
recruiter who would screen me out for having used the phrase âdick
moveâ in a mailing list post in which I was speaking for myself[1] has
failed both as a recruiter and as a human being.
You are so right and nevertheless your professional career might
depend on such people if only for a short time. I somehow imagine that
for certain jobs (M$?) open source experience might be harmful, but I
am getting off topic, BTW you said it again ;).
Which of course is your fundamental right I would never challenge!!!
Cheers
Robert
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 4:14 AM, James Edward G.
II[email protected] wrote:
On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Yukihiro M. wrote:
Even if I disappear today, we will lose little.
I disagree. 
James Edward G. II
So do I and the same holds for _why, and well just everybody.
Very sad to here that Guy disappeared :(.
It is understandable that people are worried about data lost, and so
did I. But probably the data can be recovered and if Github learns
from this scenario to foresee the âhighly unlikelyâ in the future, the
better.
But the person must come first. And Internet reputation might be a
problem for everyone of us. Thus please do not use terms like dick
move even if you explain your ideas nicely. Search engines for
recruiters will not read your balancing post.
We still have the reputation of a nice community :)âŠ
Cheers
Robert
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:06 AM, lith[email protected] wrote:
He only removed his account and the master tree. Since he is the
copyright holder for the original version of his OSS, he has the right
to do so. The âcommunityâ should be thankful for the time and effort
he put into his software in the past and respect his decision.
I think there was a misunderstanding. If you blow out a github
account, it destroys the fork networks downstream.
This means that a lot of forked repositories went out of service.
All of the data is still there (on peopleâs local machines for
re-pushing), but it left those folks to rebuild the networks manually.
Saying âMaybe Github should fix thatâ isnât overdoing it. I donât see
a good reason why there should be service interruption to downstream
forks if the original author disappears.
I think this optimization was built on open source trust in the first
place, and is worth questioning though.
-greg
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Karl von
Laudermann[email protected] wrote:
_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!
Daring Fireball: John Resig on Why the Lucky Stiff
He is now working for the NSA :>
2009/8/22 Robert D. [email protected]:
Very sad to here that Guy disappeared :(.
It is understandable that people are worried about data lost, and so
did I. But probably the data can be recovered and if Github learns
from this scenario to foresee the âhighly unlikelyâ in the future, the
better.
But the person must come first. And Internet reputation might be a
problem for everyone of us. Thus please do not use terms like dick
move even if you explain your ideas nicely. Search engines for
recruiters will not read your balancing post.
Not that I care about recruiters, but did anyone say that in this
thread? I thought that was in Zed S.'s post.
The closest thing to it might be me saying that it was
(non-personally) a destructive act.
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Todd B.[email protected] wrote:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Karl von
Laudermann[email protected] wrote:
_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!
Daring Fireball: John Resig on Why the Lucky Stiff
He is now working for the NSA :>
No wait, I meant the MiB, of course.
Gregory B. wrote:
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Ralf M.[email protected] wrote:
Things like that can always happen, even matz could simple start doing
totally different things right now (âGone fishingâŠâ).
Reminds me of Guy Decoux.
Not sure if you are aware, but _why intentionally destroyed all his
work before leaving. Thatâs not consistent with âpeople come and
goâ. I donât plan to set fire to my apartment when I move outâŠ
Thatâs quite an unfortunate crossing of thoughtstreams that put Guy
Decoux and a burning apartment in the same discussion thread ÂĄK
Kind of reminds me of the TUI press conference after the 2004 Tsunami:
â17 of our guests havenât resurfaced yetâ.
jwm
2009/8/22 Jörg W Mittag [email protected]:
Decoux and a burning apartment in the same discussion thread âŠ
Kind of reminds me of the TUI press conference after the 2004 Tsunami:
â17 of our guests havenât resurfaced yetâ.
Yes, I realized this after posting but was trying not to call attention
to it.
Rather terrible trick of my subconscious, my apologies.
Karl von Laudermann wrote:
_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!
Daring Fireball: John Resig on Why the Lucky Stiff
On thing i do know is that he was working on Shoes 2, and on his Shoe
web site he had references to two other languages that he though was
neat (Scala or Clojure I think), but the other one he mentioned a lot
and deserved a look at was REBOL.
http://www.rebol.com/index-lang.html
First built by one of the creators of Amiga OS. The goal is to be the
premier Internet language, to remain small (well under a meg for the
whole thing), and super easy to use (but breaks many standard
programming conventions that a lot did not like. Well REBOL 3.0 has
been in the works for over a year and will most likely be the last big
huge effort to get this programming language to âGrow Upâ and get out
there before its time passes it bye.
http://www.rebol.com/rebol3/motivation.html
He may have just cut all Ruby ties to work on this language and help the
5 man team. In his Poignant Guide he points out that he had actually
looked at Ruby before, but put it down thinking âPoor little language
does not stand a chance.â
Well Ruby is here to stay, but perhaps this interesting internet
language (REBOL) being rebuilt from the ground up has called _why to its
cause.
Check it out and see if that may be where he vanished to.
On 22 Aug 2009, at 21:50, Brad Mr wrote:
Karl von Laudermann wrote:
_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!
Daring Fireball: John Resig on Why the Lucky Stiff
On thing i do know is that he was working on Shoes 2, and on his Shoe
web site he had references to two other languages that he though was
neat (Scala or Clojure I think), but the other one he mentioned a lot
and deserved a look at was REBOL.
REBOL Language Overview
I know _why? had a background in the Amiga scene so itâs no surprise
that he mentioned Rebol. There are also certain conceptual
similarities between Shoes and Rebol/View which hint at a similar
outlook on the nature of networked applications, although the
underlying languages have different priorities.
Unfortunately itâs very hard for a language to gain traction unless a
particularly successful project is based on it and Rebol currently
lacks that. The closed source commercial model behind development also
makes it that bit less attractive in a world overflowing with powerful
open source languages.
Ellie
raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason
On 23 Aug 2009, at 00:44, Brad Mr wrote:
Except in REBOL 3 all parts but the most core components are going
to be
opened sourced. I wish I knew more about C I would gladly contribute.
For many people that caveat alone will rightly or wrongly sway their
perception of the language.
Ellie
raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason
On Aug 21, 12:38 am, Gerald E. [email protected] wrote:
He also thought me the basics of ruby⊠Even so much I bought The Ruby
Way, and now use ruby at workâŠ
agreed, i still read the âupturned binâ GC post regularly. Happily,
thatâs lodged in Googleâs archives.
Eleanor McHugh wrote:
I know _why? had a background in the Amiga scene so itâs no surprise
that he mentioned Rebol. There are also certain conceptual
similarities between Shoes and Rebol/View which hint at a similar
outlook on the nature of networked applications, although the
underlying languages have different priorities.
Unfortunately itâs very hard for a language to gain traction unless a
particularly successful project is based on it and Rebol currently
lacks that. The closed source commercial model behind development also
makes it that bit less attractive in a world overflowing with powerful
open source languages.
Ellie
raise ArgumentError unless @reality.responds_to? :reason
Except in REBOL 3 all parts but the most core components are going to be
opened sourced. I wish I knew more about C I would gladly contribute.
On Aug 21, 2009, at 21:59 , Yukihiro M. wrote:
Fortunately, none of the SVN repository, ruby-lang.org, ruby-doc.org
Even if I disappear today, we will lose little.
matz.
Matz,
I respectfully disagree, please stick around 
~Wayne
On Friday 21 August 2009 12:45:07 am Phrogz wrote:
On Aug 20, 2:08 pm, Karl von Laudermann [email protected]
wrote:
_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the
internets!Daring Fireball: John Resig on Why the Lucky Stiff
Among the terrible consequences of this, one of the lesser but still
notable is that someone with the power needs to edit ruby-lang.org to
remove the link to tryruby.hobix.com
That is sad, and probably the first time Iâve been truly burnt by an
online
serviceâŠ
That is, while I imagine someone may have his âfreaky freaky sandboxâ
somewhere, Iâll no longer be able to point people to that amazing
introduction. It was something like fifteen or twenty minutes, even for
non-
programmers, and served as an amazing introduction to Ruby and
programming in
general.
Perhaps Iâm being selfish, but I think thatâs one thing Iâll miss the
most.
Much of his other work has been either saved or replicated somewhere
(many
seem to be using Nokogiri instead of Hpricot these days), and while I
enjoyed
his sense of humor, I found the poignant guide to be confusing more than
anything else.
But that in particular, and perhaps where Hackity was eventually going
â I
actually sat my mother down with that, and she was able to understand
what was
going on, and had fun doing it.
I suppose whatâs creepy now is looking in Google Cache and seeing him
describe
himself as someone âwho will die young and make no lasting impression.â
Like
everyone else here, I hope heâs alright.
2009/8/23 Eleanor McHugh [email protected]:
On 23 Aug 2009, at 00:44, Brad Mr wrote:
Except in REBOL 3 all parts but the most core components are going to be
opened sourced. Ă I wish I knew more about C I would gladly contribute.
For many people that caveat alone will rightly or wrongly sway their
perception of the language.
I for myself try to stick to opensource where possible.
There are some ideological reasons that might or might not apply in
particular cases but there are certainly very pragmatic reasons as
well.
Since I have the source I can easily do minor adjustments to the
software and perhaps try to debug any issues I encounter. I have never
worked with a compiler or interpreter regularly without encountering
issues so this part is very important for me. Even if I cannot find
the cause myself I can consult others and test patches easily. When
the original author quits and there is interest in the community the
software can continue to evolve can be seen with _whyâs work now.
So unless I really need a feature that is only available in
non-opensource software I choose an opensource alternative where
available.
Nothing is more annoying than a âfreewareâ that has a minor glitch
which would be dead simple to fix but you have to rewrite it because
you do not have the source.
Thanks
Michal
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:34 PM, David M. [email protected]
wrote:
non-
programmers, and served as an amazing introduction to Ruby and programming
in
general.
Perhaps Iâm being selfish, but I think thatâs one thing Iâll miss the most.
I entirely agree. I mustâve pointed at least a dozen people who were
interested in trying to learn to program but had no idea how to start at
tryruby, and many of them âgot itâ from that more than any other
tutorial.
While it wouldnât be too difficult to duplicate the sandboxed
VM-on-the-web,
itâd be much harder to replicate the easy and informative tutorial that
went
along with it.
On Friday 21 August 2009 09:37:17 am Ben G. wrote:
Destroy it? Didnât he just make it unavailable? And it wasnât as if
what he took away was the communityâs documentation of Ruby, just his
own projects to which other people had contributed.
Best not to trivialize those contributions. Not to mention the things
built on
top of them⊠I admit, when I heard about this, my first reaction was a
sigh
of relief that Mechanize is built on Nokogiri now.
Considering all the good he did for Ruby over the years, all for free,
I donât think anybody should be overly critical of an abrupt departure.
I can cut him, the person, some slack for that.
But, it doesnât negate what the departure did. How much effort would it
have
been to post some amount of warning, at least, rather than forcing us to
mirror everything after the fact?
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Tony A.[email protected] wrote:
introduction. It was something like fifteen or twenty minutes, even for
While it wouldnât be too difficult to duplicate the sandboxed VM-on-the-web,
itâd be much harder to replicate the easy and informative tutorial that went
along with it.
Fortunately there is some progress on that front:
http://whymirror.github.com/
sandbox and Try Ruby: Jedi master parolkar is recovering Try Ruby and
its sandbox-shaped heart. Thanks to lsegal who recovered a bunch of
sandbox code from svn. Once itâs done, theyâll post to comp.lang.ruby
to get it linked from ruby-lang.org again. Try Ruby is a great
project, please do what you can to help parolkar revive it!