Why, oh why, _why?

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!

From: “Karl von Laudermann” [email protected]

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/08/20/resig-why

Wow. Hope he’s OK.

One comment on the page above did give me a good laugh:

“He changed his name to _when and is working on perl 6.”

:slight_smile:

Regards,

Bill

On Aug 20, 2:08 pm, Karl von Laudermann [email protected]
wrote:

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/08/20/resig-why

Among the terrible consequences of this, one of the lesser but still
notable is that someone with the power needs to edit ruby-lang.org to
remove the link to tryruby.hobix.com

wow, how sad. that just ruined my day. he really was an idol to me.
he’s one of the main reasons I even tried ruby in the first place.
I just love everything he did…

Sure hope he’s still out there and coming back some day…

Op vrijdag 21-08-2009 om 01:13 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Fabian
Streitel:

[Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

wow, how sad. that just ruined my day. he really was an idol to me.
he’s one of the main reasons I even tried ruby in the first place.
I just love everything he did…

Sure hope he’s still out there and coming back some day…

He also thought me the basics of ruby… Even so much I bought The Ruby
Way, and now use ruby at work…

so sad to see him go.

Phrogz wrote:

On Aug 20, 2:08 pm, Karl von Laudermann [email protected]
wrote:

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/08/20/resig-why

Among the terrible consequences of this, one of the lesser but still
notable is that someone with the power needs to edit ruby-lang.org to
remove the link to tryruby.hobix.com

Done.

James

From: “Fabian S.” [email protected]

wow, how sad. that just ruined my day. he really was an idol to me.
he’s one of the main reasons I even tried ruby in the first place.
I just love everything he did…

Yes. _why’s poignant guide and tryruby.hobix.com instantly
became two of the most awesome resources for introducing
friends and acquaintances to ruby.

The idea that they might truly be gone has not sunk in.

Sure hope he’s still out there and coming back some day…

me2

/me watches “The Least Surprised - Time dot now”

(had it on my hard drive since 2005, hope it’s OK that
I uploaded it)

http://cila-search.net/~billk/ruby/_why/The%20Least%20Surprised%20-%20Time%20dot%20now.avi

<3

Bill

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Ralf M.[email protected]
wrote:

Things like that can always happen, even matz could simple start doing
totally different things right now (‘Gone fishing…’).
Reminds me of Guy Decoux.

Not sure if you are aware, but _why intentionally destroyed all his
work before leaving. That’s not consistent with “people come and
go”. I don’t plan to set fire to my apartment when I move out…

-greg

Karl von Laudermann wrote:

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the internets!
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/08/20/resig-why

sometimes hard to accept, but: people come and people go.

no doubt, his work is outstanding. And this will last - no matter, if he
had stopped or will come back in the future.
But making a super hero out of a normal person and all the other
personality cult stuff seems to be a bad thing to me.

I hope, it was his free decision.

Things like that can always happen, even matz could simple start doing
totally different things right now (‘Gone fishing…’).
Reminds me of Guy Decoux.

Anyway, time to work harder, eh?

2009/8/21 Gregory B. [email protected]:

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Ralf M.[email protected] wrote:

Things like that can always happen, even matz could simple start doing
totally different things right now (‘Gone fishing…’).
Reminds me of Guy Decoux.

Not sure if you are aware, but _why intentionally destroyed all his
work before leaving. Â That’s not consistent with “people come and
go”. Â I don’t plan to set fire to my apartment when I move out…

Still it is completely your decision if you pack up your stuff and
take it with you, leave it in the apartment or throw it away. The
distinction between pack up your stuff and set your apartment on fire
is not so clear in the digital world.

Sure, taking down everything at once is somewhat odd but it’s exactly
the somewhat odd side of _why’s work which is so inspiring. And even
if his site is no longer around many have seen it and it has
undoubtedly somewhat changed their perception of ruby the language,
programming in general, the life and everything.

Thanks

Michal

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Ralf M.[email protected]
wrote:

But I consider it as his prefered way to ‘go’. After all, it’s HIS work, and
he took that decisioin.

This is all true. I’m just saying that this didn’t happen with Guy
Decoux, and I can hedge my bets that it won’t happen with Matz. So I
think those are bad examples.

Gregory B. wrote:

Not sure if you are aware, but _why intentionally destroyed all his
work before leaving. That’s not consistent with “people come and
go”. I don’t plan to set fire to my apartment when I move out…

-greg

Yes, I know. And I’d rather see his work in some others hands than put
out of the community.
But I consider it as his prefered way to ‘go’. After all, it’s HIS work,
and he took that decisioin.

Gregory B. wrote:

This is all true. I’m just saying that this didn’t happen with Guy
Decoux, and I can hedge my bets that it won’t happen with Matz. So I
think those are bad examples.

Sorry, I didn’t meant Guy Decoux to be seen as a direct example.
As far as I know, he was killed in an accident. But he was important
member of the ruby community, too.
regarding matz or any one of us: Things happen, and often enough we do
not pull the strings.
So don’t be too sure.
I personally think, it should drive our dedication.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Michal S.[email protected]
wrote:

Sure, taking down everything at once is somewhat odd but it’s exactly
the somewhat odd side of _why’s work which is so inspiring. And even
if his site is no longer around many have seen it and it has
undoubtedly somewhat changed their perception of ruby the language,
programming in general, the life and everything.

Yeah, I just wasn’t sure if the OP was aware of what happened given
what he had said about ‘this is just something that can happen when
people come and go’.
I used the example of setting the apartment on fire because it’s
violent, and it affects other people, not just me. That’s closer to
what happened with _why.

The upside of course is unlike my apartment, _why’s code can (and has
been) forked and mirrored:
http://whymirror.github.com/

Sad, and somewhat puzzling he didn’t just allow people to say goodbye
before leaving or something. :frowning:

Apparently his youtube channel is still online:
http://www.youtube.com/user/whytheluckystiff

And Ruby Inside has a list of all the stuff that’s still there, or
mirrored in some way:
http://www.rubyinside.com/why-the-lucky-stiff-links-2333.html

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Rick DeNatale[email protected]
wrote:

suspect we’ll never know _why!
Nothing on the shoes mailing list either. (Actually, I wonder if he
took the server for that down)

martin

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Gregory
Brown[email protected] wrote:

Not sure if you are aware, but _why intentionally destroyed all his
work before leaving. That’s not consistent with “people come and
go”. I don’t plan to set fire to my apartment when I move out…

Well, one theory, and most likely?, is that he did it intentionally,
another is that he was hacked somehow. AFAIK, the jury is still out
on that.

He’s probably still out there and may come back, but no matter what, I
suspect we’ll never know _why!


Rick DeNatale

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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Rick DeNatale[email protected]
wrote:

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Gregory B.[email protected] wrote:

Not sure if you are aware, but _why intentionally destroyed all his
work before leaving. That’s not consistent with “people come and
go”. I don’t plan to set fire to my apartment when I move out…

Well, one theory, and most likely?, is that he did it intentionally,
another is that he was hacked somehow. AFAIK, the jury is still out
on that.

Do you really think there is a remote possibility that he was hacked
at this point? I thought so too at first, but I doubt it now.

-greg

On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:47 AM, James B. wrote:

Phrogz wrote:

On Aug 20, 2:08 pm, Karl von Laudermann [email protected]
wrote:

_why the lucky stiff appears to have disappeared from the
internets!http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/08/20/resig-why
Among the terrible consequences of this, one of the lesser but still
notable is that someone with the power needs to edit ruby-lang.org to
remove the link to tryruby.hobix.com

Done.

I went ahead and pulled all three of his links on the documentation
page as well. :frowning:

James Edward G. II

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Gregory B.
[email protected]wrote:

on that.

Do you really think there is a remote possibility that he was hacked
at this point? I thought so too at first, but I doubt it now.

-greg

It’s definitely too late now, or we would have heard if he got hacked.
He
closed up shop and destroyed almost a decade’s worth of Ruby
information,
discussions, library documentation, ticket history, etc. I agree with
Zed on
this one, that was a dick move. People use and rely on the tools he’s
built,
have contributed back to them, and have helped with the documentation.
He
didn’t just destroy his work, he destroyed the work of hundreds, maybe
thousands, of people who wanted to contribute to Open Source.

I had tons of respect for _why and always marveled at his capabilities
(while wondering when, if ever, he’d burn out, of course). But after
this,
well it’s going to be hard to take him seriously if he ever shows up
again,
in Ruby or some other community.

Huge props go out to github, at least we didn’t lose any of the source
code,
history, etc, and to Rubyforge for not allowing people to delete their
accounts.

Jason

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