Why do my posts appear twice?

Hi all,

I’m at a complete loss for why my posts are double posting.

Does anyone have any idea why? The email address I’m using appears to
be
the same as everyone elses.

Confused

On Jun 15, 2006, at 13:09, Daniel N wrote:

Hi all,

I’m at a complete loss for why my posts are double posting.

Does anyone have any idea why? The email address I’m using appears
to be
the same as everyone elses.

Confused

They don’t seem to be appearing twice for me, are you BCCing
yourself? Mail filters grabbing things out of your ‘sent’ directory,
or some other sort of unexpected behaviour?

One way to check if things really are appearing twice is to check the
headers: messages that actually go out to the list have ‘X-Mail-
Count’ set (ferinstance, your message was ‘X-Mail-Count: 197438’

matthew smillie.

It appears twice in my inbox. Must be something to do with gmail.

Thanx

2006/6/15, Daniel N [email protected]:

Hi all,

I’m at a complete loss for why my posts are double posting.

Does anyone have any idea why? The email address I’m using appears to be
the same as everyone elses.

Confused

it’s a GMail glitch,
your response is added to the conversation, then it’s sent back to you,
because you are part of the list, so it’s added to the conversation
again.


Swallow this, it will make you feel better.
“You’ve got a disease that there is no known cure for. We have run the
appropriate tests and found alarming conclusions. This is a very
troubling
circumstance. But what is more troubling is how you developed this
condition. It seems that due to constant exposure to the dangerous
realities
around you, this extremely rare virus has infected you. I am afraid
there is
no known cure. On top of this, the disease is extremely contagious as
well.”
Perplexed as usual, I had to ask, “What is the disease?” The answer: “An
unyeilding hunger for the truth, a passion for the people around you,
and
sorrow for those who still lie in darkness. To put it plainly, you have
a
heart. We must amputate immediately.”

–Andrew Schwab (Taken from the book “We Caught You Plotting Murder”)

Does anyone have any idea why? The email address I’m using appears to be
the same as everyone elses.

It’s a Gmail thing. It appears once when you respond and then appears
again when your message is received from the mailing list. Only one
message is actually sent to the list.

Farrel

On Jun 15, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Dirk M. wrote:

appropriate tests and found alarming conclusions. This is a very
unyeilding hunger for the truth, a passion for the people around
you, and
sorrow for those who still lie in darkness. To put it plainly, you
have a
heart. We must amputate immediately."

–Andrew Schwab (Taken from the book “We Caught You Plotting Murder”)

No offense intended here, but your signature, while clever, is a bit
long. You posted three lines of content followed by eleven lines
extra fluff. Most people try to keep their signatures at four lines
or less.

James Edward G. II

On 6/15/06, James Edward G. II [email protected] wrote:


as well."
No offense intended here, but your signature, while clever, is a bit
long. You posted three lines of content followed by eleven lines
extra fluff. Most people try to keep their signatures at four lines
or less.

James Edward G. II

While Etiquette is on the table, can someone please tell me why replying
at
the top of a post is considered bad form?

Cheers

2006/6/15, James Edward G. II [email protected]:

No offense intended here, but your signature, while clever, is a bit long. You posted three lines of content followed by eleven lines extra fluff. Most people try to keep their signatures at four lines or less.

hmm, i understand people won’t be too happy about the length…
sorry about that, i’ll make sure it won’t happen again :slight_smile:
i think there should be written rules about stuff like this, which
people
should agree to before they are a part of this list, and before they
enter
ruby-forum.com (though i doubt how much that will help…)
greetings, Dirk.

On Jun 15, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Daniel N wrote:

While Etiquette is on the table, can someone please tell me why
replying at
the top of a post is considered bad form?

Someone on this list (sorry, I forget who) has a signature that sums
it up beautifully. It goes like this:

“Yes.”
Is top posting bad?

In other words, the answer doesn’t make sense before the question is
asked.

James Edward G. II

On 6/15/06, James Edward G. II [email protected] wrote:

On Jun 15, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Daniel N wrote:

While Etiquette is on the table, can someone please tell me why
replying at
the top of a post is considered bad form?

It’s all about context. If you reply inline, you have it. If you reply
at the top of a post, you don’t.

Someone on this list (sorry, I forget who)

Eric H.

has a signature that sums
it up beautifully. It goes like this:

“Yes.”
Is top posting bad?

In other words, the answer doesn’t make sense before the question is
asked.

Top posting also encourages (or maybe it doesn’t discourage) huge
emails with none of the extraneous quoted material trimmed. Be a
good netizen, trim your quotes and reply inline – everyone will
benefit.

On 6/15/06, James Edward G. II [email protected] wrote:

“Yes.”
Is top posting bad?

In other words, the answer doesn’t make sense before the question is
asked.

James Edward G. II

True… Thanx for pointing that out.

On 6/15/06, Greg D. [email protected] wrote:

On 6/15/06, Dirk M. [email protected] wrote:

it’s a GMail glitch,
I would consider it more of a ruby-talk glitch since it doesn’t happen
with any other list serves to which I am currently subscribed (MySQL,
PostgreSQL, PHP, and two LUGs).

It’s a Gmail glitch.

You can, however, control the glitch to a degree at the loss of some
information. At one point, Gmail used to keep sent messages of a
conversation in the Sent Mail folder. Ruby-talk is initially
configured to send you your own messages. Therefore, you see your sent
message and then you receive your own message from ruby-talk with
additional headers marked up that provide you the message number so
you can specifically say which message yours was.

If you really don’t like the behaviour and want to lose that
information, change your configuration on the ruby-talk mailing list
(use ruby-talk-ctl at ruby-lang.org to do this) so that you aren’t
sent copies of your own messages.

It’s proper list behaviour; Gmail should probably be a little more
intelligent about what it sees and deal with it cleanly. The
behaviour, though, is no different than if you were using Thunderbird
or Outlook with an option that saves your sent messages in the folders
you were using or with their reply-antecedents.

-austin

On 6/15/06, Dirk M. [email protected] wrote:

it’s a GMail glitch,

I would consider it more of a ruby-talk glitch since it doesn’t happen
with any other list serves to which I am currently subscribed (MySQL,
PostgreSQL, PHP, and two LUGs).

On 6/15/06, Austin Z. [email protected] wrote:

It’s a Gmail glitch.

No, it’s a ruby-talk glitch. Otherwise I would see the same issue
with other lists.

On Jun 15, 2006, at 19:40, Greg D. wrote:

On 6/15/06, Austin Z. [email protected] wrote:

It’s a Gmail glitch.

No, it’s a ruby-talk glitch. Otherwise I would see the same issue
with other lists.

No, it’s a gmail glitch, otherwise you’d see the same issue in other
mail clients.

Gmail doesn’t deal all that gracefully with messages from yourself
that you also receive. For example, it seems to silently ignore BCCs
to your own address. Presumably, this is because on the web
interface you don’t need that BCC, but it fails to impress when
you’re using it over POP3.

matthew smillie.

On 6/15/06, Greg D. [email protected] wrote:

On 6/15/06, Austin Z. [email protected] wrote:

It’s a Gmail glitch.
No, it’s a ruby-talk glitch. Otherwise I would see the same issue
with other lists.

Go check your configuration on those other lists, before you make a
fool of yourself.

If those other lists are not set up for “send me my own message” –
which ruby-talk is set up for by default – you won’t get duplicate
messages.

And ruby-talk’s default setting is the right one. Gmail’s setting
(which is not changeable) is the wrong one.

-austin

On 15-Jun-06, at 2:32 PM, Austin Z. wrote:

On 6/15/06, Greg D. [email protected] wrote:

On 6/15/06, Dirk M. [email protected] wrote:

it’s a GMail glitch,
I would consider it more of a ruby-talk glitch since it doesn’t
happen
with any other list serves to which I am currently subscribed (MySQL,
PostgreSQL, PHP, and two LUGs).

It’s a Gmail glitch.

I’d have to be a little weary about that statement. I see this exact
same behaviour using Mail on OSX 10.4 from my own mail server – none
of my other lists or whatnot experience this same problem, only ruby-
talk. However, in my case, it’s all messages to ruby-talk get sent
twice, not just my own.

Austin Z.


Jeremy T.
[email protected]

“One serious obstacle to the adoption of good programming languages
is the notion that everything has to be sacrificed for speed. In
computer languages as in life, speed kills.” – Mike Vanier

Austin Z. wrote:

Go check your configuration on those other lists, before you make a
fool of yourself.

What an arse you are.

On 6/15/06, Austin Z. [email protected] wrote:

If those other lists are not set up for “send me my own message” –
which ruby-talk is set up for by default – you won’t get duplicate
messages.

And ruby-talk’s default setting is the right one. Gmail’s setting
(which is not changeable) is the wrong one.

So then it’s a poorly chosen default setting with ruby-talk itself.

People don’t come on the other lists and ask 'Why do I only receive
one message when I post?" do they?

Nope.

But they do come on ruby-talk and ask “Why do I get duplicate messages
when I post?”

You are making an utter ass of yourself in public. I’d recommend you
stop.

If you don’t like the default behavior of the list, change it. But it’s
a perfectly reasonable way for a mailing list to behave, even if it
confuses and annoys you specifically. I do not get multiples when I
post to ANY mailing lists, because I do not use gmail.

-bmc