What's the Fuss About Fuzz?

Rails
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Zed’s rockin’ away on a new project:
http://rfuzz.rubyforge.org/index.html

From what I can tell, fuzzing is like unleashing thousands of monkeys
with keyboards on your website and seeing if anything breaks. Has
anybody tried RFuzz? What’s sorts of things has it found?

Thanks,
Joe

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On 10/23/06, Joe R. MUDCRAP-CE [email protected]
wrote:

… like unleashing thousands of monkeys with keyboards on your website …

Do we really need another anti-IE flamefest?

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:52:26 +0200
Joe R. MUDCRAP-CE [email protected] wrote:

Zed’s rockin’ away on a new project:
http://rfuzz.rubyforge.org/index.html

From what I can tell, fuzzing is like unleashing thousands of monkeys
with keyboards on your website and seeing if anything breaks. Has
anybody tried RFuzz? What’s sorts of things has it found?

Hehe, yeah Joe, it’s pretty capable already, but could use some more use
in the fuzzing area.

Take a look in the examples directory. There’s a Mongrel test suite
that uses rspec and rant to fire up a Rails app at ~/projects/testapp
and then tries to destroy it and validate certain things. All the tests
in that suite came from bugs that were found which I needed fuzzing to
prevent in future releases.

Next, take a look at the examples dir for various ways it’s used as a
client and as a fuzzing lib.

Then, try breaking some stuff and let me know what happens. Tons of
fun.

–
Zed A. Shaw, MUDCRAP-CE Master Black Belt Sifu

http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/
http://www.lingr.com/room/3yXhqKbfPy8 – Come get help.

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Zed A. Shaw wrote:

Eh? Not sure if you were joking, but I’m pretty sure Joe wasn’t bashing
IE.

My impression was that JDL was implying that IE users are monkeys. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Joe

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On 10/23/06, Joe R. MUDCRAP-CE [email protected]
wrote:

Zed A. Shaw wrote:

Eh? Not sure if you were joking, but I’m pretty sure Joe wasn’t bashing
IE.

My impression was that JDL was implying that IE users are monkeys. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Joe

Aye. It was just lame humor posted during a moment of boredom.

Based on this thread, I’ve been checking out fuzz and it looks pretty
cool.

– James

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:18:50 -0500
JDL [email protected] wrote:

On 10/23/06, Joe R. MUDCRAP-CE [email protected] wrote:

… like unleashing thousands of monkeys with keyboards on your website …

Do we really need another anti-IE flamefest?

Eh? Not sure if you were joking, but I’m pretty sure Joe wasn’t bashing
IE. It’s just a tool for breaking all sorts of stuff. I’ll tell ya,
Firefox sure could use some Fuzz as well in the javascript domain.
Safari could use some fuzzing tests in how it handles the HTTP protocol
as well. Everything is suspect really.

Mostly because writing software really sucks (and no, Haskell don’t fix
it :-).

–
Zed A. Shaw, MUDCRAP-CE Master Black Belt Sifu

http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/
http://www.lingr.com/room/3yXhqKbfPy8 – Come get help.

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Zed A. Shaw, MUDCRAP-CE Master Black Belt Sifu

ok, Joe and Zed S. is the same guy and he replies emails by his other
half
?

is there a transformation involved like in dr jekyll and mr hyde? :slight_smile:

–
Heri R.
http://sprinj.com

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:56:39 -0400
“Heri R>” [email protected] wrote:

Zed A. Shaw, MUDCRAP-CE Master Black Belt Sifu

ok, Joe and Zed S. is the same guy and he replies emails by his other half
?

is there a transformation involved like in dr jekyll and mr hyde? :slight_smile:

When you become a MUDCRAP Certified Engineer, you too will be able to
pretend to be me so well that others confuse you with me and all my
powerful glory.

–
Zed A. Shaw, MUDCRAP-CE Master Black Belt Sifu

http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/
http://www.lingr.com/room/3yXhqKbfPy8 – Come get help.

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What is Rails, is it like a simple case tool? Can I use VB to write the
code instead of that other language?

Thanks
The Grand Master

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On 24 Oct 2006, at 11:22, Master Programmer wrote:

What is Rails, is it like a simple case tool? Can I use VB to write
the
code instead of that other language?

You shouldn’t be posting this message to this mailing list, but here
are some links that might clear things up a bit:

• http://www.rubyonrails.org/
• Ruby on Rails - Wikipedia

… and no, you can’t use VB to write your code, do your dishes, mow
your lawn and make your coffee :slight_smile: If you want a VB clone, have a
look at REALbasic.

Best regards

Peter De Berdt

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Heri R> wrote:

Zed A. Shaw, MUDCRAP-CE Master Black Belt Sifu

ok, Joe and Zed S. is the same guy and he replies emails by his other
half
?

is there a transformation involved like in dr jekyll and mr hyde? :slight_smile:

This is FANTASTIC – it must mean I’m getting closer to the black belt
level of MUDCRAP-CE!!!

Joe

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Ahh, ok, thats a shame. I wanted to use VB so that it would be robust.

Thanks Anyway
The Grand Master