Trac - Does it make sense to keep http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4315 open?

Response to message [1] on trac.devel (as I cannot write there, due to
an informally applied censorship)

Mr. Boos: “I left that ticket open simply to avoid having someone to
reopen it over
and over…”

(note to reader: this someone is me)

Mr. Boos, the ticket status should reflect reality. So, if reality
says “the ticket is open”, no one can (should" close it.

The essens of the ticket is, that you should trust you own results.
You should use your development version, in order to obtain feedback.
Of course I understand (seeing the terrible processes of the team),
that you distrust your own results, prefering to let user do the dirty
work of development-version-usage.

Your inability to follow even the most rational suggestions subjecting
development-processes, e.g. this one:

http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/6614#comment:36

will lead (together with the terrible quality of the trac source-code
base) soon to an even more stucked development progress. Be assured
that users see this (although they don’t say much, like me).

Do you actually realize that you’re working since over a year on
0.11?

Nothing is more fun that to watch the trac project running into one
after another problem during development. At least you give other
teams a good example of “how to ruine a good open-source product”.

http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/TracAudit

To readers:

The project hunts since months a memory-leak - without success.

I’m wondering that python makes so much trouble in finding it. Seems
to be another very fundamental reason to leave this “joke of a
language” (python).

[1]

http://groups.google.com/group/trac-dev/msg/1cbcaf2b5fdc8abe

From: Christian B. [email protected]
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:

Does it make sense to keep http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/4315 open?

I left that ticket open simply to avoid having someone to reopen it
over
and over… That ticket is a bit useless in that it has anyway always
been the policy of the project to run the latest stable release. And
that works quite well in practice. I imagine t.e.o would already be
running 0.11b1 now, if we didn’t have those memory issues. As for
documenting the blocker issues, doing that directly on the milestone
page is more effective anyway. So I’d say let’s just not make a fuss
about this one and we’ll close it once t.e.o gets upgraded to 0.11.

– Christian

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Ilias L. [email protected]
wrote:

Response to message [1] on trac.devel (as I cannot write there, due to
an informally applied censorship)

How come this message ended up here?

Arlen

On Mar 9, 12:20 pm, Arlen C. [email protected] wrote:

[Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

It’s still ‘illegal’, as you’re completely off-topic.

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Ilias L. [email protected] wrote:

Response to message [1] on trac.devel (as I cannot write there, due to
an informally applied censorship)

How come this message ended up here?

intentional, see the original message header:

“Newsgroups: comp.lang.python, comp.lang.ruby, comp.lang.perl.misc”

Now you can start guessing why this thread is valid for c.l.r.

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Ilias L. [email protected]
wrote:

On Mar 9, 12:20 pm, Arlen C. [email protected] wrote:

[Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]
It’s still ‘illegal’, as you’re completely off-topic.

Note; it’s generated by my user-agent, I didn’t write that, nor am I
aware
of any context whatsoever. It probably has been through several filters,
because I’m posting to an ML. I have no idea how it gets to the
newsgroup
from there.

intentional, see the original message header:

“Newsgroups: comp.lang.python, comp.lang.ruby, comp.lang.perl.misc”

Now you can start guessing why this thread is valid for c.l.r.

I didn’t see that. Note I’m posting from the ruby-talk mailing list.
You’re
talking about a personal issue you have with some of the Trac team
members.
I’m still not understanding why this thread is valid for c.l.r - maybe
.python, but otherwise, what does it have to do with anything?

No offence intended, but this seems way off.

Arlen

On Mar 9, 1:16 pm, Arlen C. [email protected] wrote:

Note; it’s generated by my user-agent, I didn’t write that, nor am I aware
of any context whatsoever. It probably has been through several filters,
because I’m posting to an ML. I have no idea how it gets to the newsgroup
from there.

You should possbily move your user-agent to the trash.

intentional, see the original message header:

“Newsgroups: comp.lang.python, comp.lang.ruby, comp.lang.perl.misc”

Now you can start guessing why this thread is valid for c.l.r.

I didn’t see that. Note I’m posting from the ruby-talk mailing list. You’re
talking about a personal issue you have with some of the Trac team members.

No, it’s not a personal issue.

I’m still not understanding why this thread is valid for c.l.r - maybe
python, but otherwise, what does it have to do with anything?

The trac-team censors my comments on the trac devel and user lists.

Thus I use the next related public media, which is comp.lang.python.

Additionally, I publish to 2 further related groups (related to my
work
and to trac, as some open-source teams use it), thus this trac-
desaster
get’s some visibility.

No offence intended, but this seems way off.

Ruby is an open-source language, thus the community should care about
“wild-west-censorship” within open-source projects.

Ok, look at this (go get something in-topic):

http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/RubyObjectModel

Ilias L. wrote:

No offence intended, but this seems way off.

Ruby is an open-source language, thus the community should care about
“wild-west-censorship” within open-source projects.

So, it is way off. How developers run their projects is of not even
tangentially related to the community around a programming language.

Also, your argument is a textbook example of the “cum hoc, ergo propter
hoc” fallacy. That Ruby is FLOSS does not mean that its users are
interested in the politics (or even development) of FLOSS, much less the
trac project.

  • Phillip G.

P.S.: Check your MUA, Ilias, since it doesn’t do proper line breaks.
Maybe move it to the trash, as you ever so kindly suggested to Arlen?

On Mar 9, 2:13 pm, Phillip G. [email protected]
wrote:

Ilias L. wrote:

No offence intended, but this seems way off.

Ruby is an open-source language, thus the community should care about
“wild-west-censorship” within open-source projects.

So, it is way off. How developers run their projects is of not even
tangentially related to the community around a programming language.

of course it is.

It has a direct relation to the evolution speed of a language.

Also, your argument is a textbook example of the “cum hoc, ergo propter
hoc” fallacy.

No idea of what you are talking about.

That Ruby is FLOSS does not mean that its users are
interested in the politics (or even development) of FLOSS, much less the
trac project.

I don’t care about the users.

I care about me (Ruby is still my 2nd choice language, thus I’m
interested that ruby projects which use trac get the information about
it, thus e.g. they decide easier to move to another (e.g. ruby-
centric) tracking system.

  • Phillip G.

P.S.: Check your MUA, Ilias, since it doesn’t do proper line breaks.
Maybe move it to the trash, as you ever so kindly suggested to Arlen?

You are right. This google groups thing is terrible.

On Mar 9, 2008, at 6:16 AM, Arlen C. wrote:

of any context whatsoever. It probably has been through several
filters,
because I’m posting to an ML. I have no idea how it gets to the
newsgroup
from there.

The “note” was added by the Ruby T. Gateway, which may have removed
some non-text portions of the email when it moved it from the Ruby
Talk mailing list to comp.lang.ruby.

James Edward G. II

James G. wrote:

Folks, Ilias is a professional troll. Please resist the urge to feed him:

Yes; this cannot be over-emphasized.


James B.

www.rubyaz.org - Hacking in the Desert
www.risingtidesoftware.com - Wicked Cool Coding
www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys

On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Ilias L. wrote:

I don’t care about the users.

I love this quote. Pure Ilias.

Folks, Ilias is a professional troll. Please resist the urge to feed
him:

http://zenspider.com/Languages/Ruby/IliasIsCrazy.html

James Edward G. II

On Mar 9, 5:47 pm, James G. [email protected] wrote:

On Mar 9, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Ilias L. wrote:

I don’t care about the users.

I love this quote. Pure Ilias.

Folks, Ilias is a professional troll. Please resist the urge to feed
him:

like you did?

http://zenspider.com/Languages/Ruby/IliasIsCrazy.html

nice link, have added it to the collection.

http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/CoreLiveEval#WhatPeopleThink

On Mar 9, 7:32 pm, “M. Edward (Ed) Borasky” [email protected] wrote:

James B. wrote:

James G. wrote:

Folks, Ilias is a professional troll. Please resist the urge to feed
him:

Yes; this cannot be over-emphasized.

A professional troll? There’s money in it? This changes everything!!
:slight_smile:

Most people have realized that I cannot be classified as a troll. But
they are mentally incapable to overcome their egoism, and to admit a
mistake. Thus they simply use the term “professional troll”, “special
troll” etc.

Try this, this is one of the results of my “professional ruby
trolling”.

http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/RubyObjectModel

Or take a look at a quote from your language Guru:

“But virtually everyone except us (me and you, Ilias) seem to have the
other model in mind.” Mr. Yukihiro M. (Matz), Ruby Language
Designer (source usenet)"

http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/RubyAudit

.

James B. wrote:

James G. wrote:

Folks, Ilias is a professional troll. Please resist the urge to feed
him:

Yes; this cannot be over-emphasized.

A professional troll? There’s money in it? This changes everything!!

:slight_smile: