The name of Matz

On 3/10/07, Harry [email protected] wrote:

Merriam-Webster’s website (www.m-w.com) which I found most useful (as a non
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress
depends on the unreasonable man.

  • George Bernard Shaw

Huh?
This was your post in this thread. I didn’t make it up :slight_smile:
I believe you, maybe I miss-posted, but I fail to remember, no problem
at all.
I just said this because I think the Webster is a bad source for Matz’
name :wink:
Cheers
Robert

I did not think to check m-w.com. Didn’t think it would be there.
But I did not see an option to hear ‘moto’ at m-w.com.

You see;)

On 3/10/07, Robert D. [email protected] wrote:
I am as confused as ever:

I wanted a link to a wavefile (which I got BTW) as the Mirriam Webster
for example
Example for Mirriam Webster and not example for Matz.

hey how can I understand my posts, I am not at the same level as the
poster.

Robert

Hi,

In message “Re: the name of Matz”
on Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:08:22 +0900, Suraj K. [email protected]
writes:

|Finally, it is said that the order of vowels in the Japanese alphabet
|system is derived from that of Sanskrit. For instance, listed below are
|the vowels from the South Indian Telugu language (the same vowels are
|found in nearly all other Indian languages in exactly the same order).
|The starred (*) vowels are found in Japanese (a i u e o).

Wow, I didn’t know that. Thank you for information.

          matz.

On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Martin DeMello wrote:

Interestingly, this is the same ‘a’ used when transliterating Hindi -
I’ve often thought it curious/interesting that “a” got mapped to a
sound which it never represents in English.

martin

That’s simple. English is an amalgamation of many disparate dialects
with no single phonetic writing system. Writing and much vocabulary
was borrowed from other European languages resulting in a fuzzy
mishmash of many different and contradictory patterns of symbols
representing phonetics. Japanese also is correct in recognizing that
all consonants other than m and n have a vowel after them, though in
European languages these are usually unacknowledged and referred to
as micro-vowels.
the “a” sound in Japanese Romaji is consistently the same in most
European languages. sounds like the vowel in English words: God, dog,
car.
Never the less, it is irrelevant, since the way we read is by
recognizing the general shapes of words and phrases, not by reading
each letter individually. This is the same way you read Chinese
characters (Japanese Kanji).
To connect this to this list: computers are able to read better than
we are. Fingerprint and face recognition algorithms are similar. But
the logic of human language is far too implicit, software still can
not draw on all of the fuzzy cultural references.

Rick DeNatale wrote:

|found in nearly all other Indian languages in exactly the same order).
|The starred (*) vowels are found in Japanese (a i u e o).

Wow, I didn’t know that. Thank you for information.

I’ve also heard that there are certain linguistic similarities which
indicate that Japanese and Finnish are close relatives, not that I
know what those are or have any clue why it might be so.

Yes, the world is a very interesting place indeed when you subtract
out the Indo-European languages, Chinese, and the Semitic languages
(Hebrew and Arabic). :slight_smile:


M. Edward (Ed) Borasky, FBG, AB, PTA, PGS, MS, MNLP, NST, ACMC(P)
http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/

If God had meant for carrots to be eaten cooked, He would have given
rabbits fire.

On 3/10/07, Yukihiro M. [email protected] wrote:

Wow, I didn’t know that. Thank you for information.

I’ve also heard that there are certain linguistic similarities which
indicate that Japanese and Finnish are close relatives, not that I
know what those are or have any clue why it might be so.


Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

On 3/10/07, Rick DeNatale [email protected] wrote:

|The starred (*) vowels are found in Japanese (a i u e o).

Wow, I didn’t know that. Thank you for information.

I’ve also heard that there are certain linguistic similarities which
indicate that Japanese and Finnish are close relatives, not that I
know what those are or have any clue why it might be so.
I would take this information with care,
Finnish and Hungarian for that matter are very difficult to categorize
and therefore sometimes put together with other languages. FWIK they
are still pretty far apart, nothing like e.g. French and Italian.

Cheers
Robert

On Mar 11, 2007, at 5:15 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote:

I’ve also heard that there are certain linguistic similarities which
indicate that Japanese and Finnish are close relatives, not that I
know what those are or have any clue why it might be so.

No, there are none. Japanese has a strong relation to Korean. Both
have a relation to Mongolian.
As for written ordering, it only indicates some exchange of ideas
probably indirectly through religious texts. writing was borrowed
from China and phonetic characters were developed later as simplified
caligraphic forms of Chinese characters.

On 3/11/07, John J. [email protected] wrote:

On Mar 11, 2007, at 5:15 AM, Rick DeNatale wrote:

I’ve also heard that there are certain linguistic similarities which
indicate that Japanese and Finnish are close relatives, not that I
know what those are or have any clue why it might be so.

No, there are none. Japanese has a strong relation to Korean. Both
have a relation to Mongolian.

Well it appears that there are at least some linquists who beleive
that there may be a relationship between Finnish and Japanese,
although not as close as I implied.

Describes a (controversial) theory that they are related by a common
extinct ancestor language.

Ural-Altaic
Ural
Finno-Permic
Finnish
Altaic
Mongolic
Mongolian
Japonic
Japanese,
Korean

Which would make Finnish and Japanese second cousins.

There are actually two levels of controversy in these theories. One
is whether or not there really was a prototypical Ural-Altaic which
was a common ancestor of the Ural and Altaic families. Second is
whether or not the Japonic family (which includes Japanese, Okinawan,
and some others I haven’t heard of), and Korean which forms it’s own
family, should really be considered members of the Altaic family.


Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

On 3/11/07, Rick DeNatale [email protected] wrote:

Well it appears that there are at least some linquists who beleive
that there may be a relationship between Finnish and Japanese,
although not as close as I implied.

Ural-Altaic languages - Wikipedia

Describes a (controversial) theory that they are related by a common
extinct ancestor language.
Interesting stuff Rick
Korean

Which would make Finnish and Japanese second cousins.
Is this list complete? I am missing Hungarian who is a far relative of
Finnish.
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

Robert

On 3/10/07, Suraj K. [email protected] wrote:

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brahmi_Script.gif


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Harry

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