Hi!

I know this is slightly off-topic, as it is not really related to

gnuradio

(despite the USRP and gnuradio being used in my current experiments

regarding

TETRA):

Does anyone know how the phase alignment bits in TETRA exactly work?

I’m reading ETSI EN 300 392-2 V3.2.1 and can find the definition at

Section 9.4.4.3.6.

So the phase adjustment bits need to be set to the negated sum of the

phase shift of two other bits in the burst.

Let’s assume I’m using hc1, hc2 and thus look at the symbols 8 (bit

15+16) and

108 (bit 215+216).

If all of those four bits are 1 (like in the case of the synchronization

continuous down-link burst), there is a total phase shift of -6pi/4 (two

times

-3pi/4).

But how do you correct such a phase shift in only a single adjustment

symbol?

Using the two bits in the adjustment symbol, I can only apply +1pi/4,

-1pi/4,

+3pi/4 or -3pi/4 ?!?

Any help is appreciated.

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Regards,

Harald

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On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 09:02:09PM +0100, Harald W. wrote:

So the phase adjustment bits need to be set to the negated sum of the

phase shift of two other bits in the burst.

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sorry, my mistake. This should read: “… the negated sum of the phase

shift

of two other symbols in the burst.”

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On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Harald W. [email protected]

wrote:

Hi!

I know this is slightly off-topic, as it is not really related to gnuradio

(despite the USRP and gnuradio being used in my current experiments regarding

TETRA):

I think this list is a fine place to ask these kinds of questions.

Regards,

Harald

Harald,

Have you looked at this paper?

http://wsl.stanford.edu/~ee359/doppler2.pdf

It provides a very nice description of pi/4 DQPSK and a receiver

architecture for it. It might provide the answers you’re looking for.

Tom

Dear Tom (and others),

On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 11:22:11AM -0500, Tom R. wrote:

So the phase adjustment bits need to be set to the negated sum of the

phase shift of two other bits in the burst.

Let’s assume I’m using hc1, hc2 and thus look at the symbols 8 (bit 15+16) and

108 (bit 215+216).

A friend has meanwhile (privately) solved the problem: It is not the sum

of the

phase shift of two symbols, but the sum of the phase shift of all

symbols in

the range n1…n2. And as that range is always an odd number, we can

always

compensate the cumulative phase shift in a single additional symbol.

Have you looked at this paper?

http://wsl.stanford.edu/~ee359/doppler2.pdf

I had seen this before, but thanks anyway.

I’ll follow-up to this group once I’m getting anywhere with my code.

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- Harald W. [email protected]

http://laforge.gnumonks.org/

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