On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:26:38 -0000, Peter H. [email protected]
wrote:
To my knowledge none of these are free, anyone else get them?
I did, from the same sender, but in a message to a different group of
recipients. Wasn’t there a message on list a while back asking if anyone
wanted them?
I just deleted them - as well as the copyright issues, I gather that
PDFs
could be vulnerable to viruses…?
[email protected] wrote:
Quoting Mike F. [email protected]:
(And there’s a duck typing reference in here somewhere waiting to
be madeWell, if he types like a duck…
Ducks are known for their horrible handwriting - hence the popularity of
duck typing…
robert
I think the number of people who received this mail, and now think, “Oh,
good; I was going to pay or this, but now I won’t”, is quite small.
I bought the pic axe which I don’t like, and it is not the first time I
am disappointed in a book bought over the internet. I borrowed sam’s
teach yourself but I did not buy it yet in the hope an update will come
in 2006
The benefit of having access to a pdf is not that you don’t have to pay
for it, it is that you find out if it will be useful.
I just got back from holiday to find 3 emails, labelled parts 2, 3 and
4 from this guy, containing 4 of these. He must’ve simply gleaned
emails from the groups here and sent in batches of about a half-dozen.
This person could well have good intentions, but if I wanted the books
here (yes, the files appear to be genuine) I would give the authors the
payment they deserve.
A paperback book is infinitely more useful than an ebook anyway. I
always keep the pickaxe on my desk for reference as it’s the fastest
way I’ve found to look up details of the built-in classes and standard
library.
There’s no need to hunt down a single guy with misguided intentions,
but please could Mr Aktan keep these to himself.
Robert K. [email protected] wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
Quoting Mike F. [email protected]:
(And there’s a duck typing reference in here somewhere waiting to
be madeWell, if he types like a duck…
Ducks are known for their horrible handwriting - hence the popularity of
duck typing…
Ducks are like doctors - if you think their handwriting’s bad, wait till
you see their bills!
martin
p.s. you can always tell a dodgy doctor by his evasiveness - if it ducks
like a quack…
Yes, I was a clear minority on this one! I was surprise by the response
of this list. “Me using a copy I have not paid for. Oh no!” And yet on
a talk on rails, the presenter said one of the advantage of web
applications was that the user did not have a copy of the program to
give to his friends. This is presumably a site with computer folks and
they — Oh Never – bootlegged something? They must all be old and
established earning good salaries who have therefore gotten religion.
Or the others did not say anything.
Here is my problem with the pickaxe, as posted recently on a pickaxe
book discussion
"I have no use for databases, and the whole book uses one single
database example, it
seems – I am allergic to the word “song”, it shows up too many time
in that book, every
other word it seems – "
and I had one person in agreement.
If I can learn ruby in another book, it sounds like the pickaxe will be
good as reference. So all is not lost.
I have had no access to the ruby way, so I can’t say. It is not clear
from this list if the files could be compromised. In any case I would
want to wait for this summer when the ruby way second edition is
expected.
Bummer for the Sam’s teach yourself ruby not beeing updated.
anne001 wrote:
I think the number of people who received this mail, and now think, “Oh,
good; I was going to pay or this, but now I won’t”, is quite small.I bought the pic axe which I don’t like, and it is not the first time I
am disappointed in a book bought over the internet. I borrowed sam’s
teach yourself but I did not buy it yet in the hope an update will come
in 2006
Very interesting. I think you’re the first person I’ve heard say “I
don’t
like the Pickaxe.”
The Teach Yourself book is actually pretty good. I don’t think there
is a 2nd edition in the works; and anyway not much of it would change
even so. What did you think of it, anyhow?
And what did you think of The Ruby Way, if you looked at it?
Cheers,
Hal
On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 20:18 +0900, anne001 wrote:
Yes, I was a clear minority on this one! I was surprise by the response
of this list. “Me using a copy I have not paid for. Oh no!” And yet on
a talk on rails, the presenter said one of the advantage of web
applications was that the user did not have a copy of the program to
give to his friends. This is presumably a site with computer folks and
they — Oh Never – bootlegged something? They must all be old and
established earning good salaries who have therefore gotten religion.
Or the others did not say anything.
Well, I for one am currently unemployed, and skint (or ‘broke’ as they
say). I certainly have no religion, and can’t say I’ve never stolen
anything (can anyone?). But as a creative person (I like to think so,
anyway) I cannot condone copyright theft. Sometimes people need
things, but they never need books / software / music / etc.
In truth I don’t get to buy that many books, but that doesn’t mean I’m
going to start ripping off people for whom I have tremendous respect,
right in front of their faces, just so I can get something to read.
Especially when those same people go to great lengths to make sure I can
get the info I need anyway, by being active in the community.
Hi there,
It’s me, “the Witch”.
I was shocked when I saw the messages posted upon my “illegal” mails. I
didn’t think that people could take account them so seriously.
Those mails had no virii and I sent them just for “helping” people.
That’s all.
Was this right? I thought it was.
Of course, I knew that it was an illegal action, I am not so stupid.
And I also knew that Dave T. and Andy H. and the others would be
angry.
But the point which I missed was this: I thought that my illegal
attachments could hurt the authors or publishers just as much as “a
fly’s bite”, not more.
I see, however, that I was wrong. My activities made them hurt much
more than I thought. I gave Andy H. “a promise” that I will never
repeat this actions again,
“the promise” is important for me.
By the way,
Thank goodness for libraries, right!
So you have libraries in which you can read these books?
How lucky you are…
Guy Decoux was one of the ones on my to list
I don’t know him. Is he master? You should be thankful that I didn’t
send the books to Matz. I only know Matz, Dave, Andy and Chris P…
I think the number of people who received this mail, and now think, “Oh,
good; I was going to pay or this, but now I won’t”, is quite small.
Yep!!! Definitely !!!
It was an overtly malicious act and I hope the owners of the properties do
indeed go after them.
Gulp! Ohmigod! You want to send me to “Green Mile”?
Mubin A. wrote:
repeat this actions again,
“the promise” is important for me.
Well, it was an inappropriate action and illegal. Of course,
none of the rest of us have ever pirated books
or software or MP3s.
The fact is, most of those were probably available already in “bootleg”
form for anyone who searched hard enough (I know TRW was). Your primary
crime was to make it a lot easier to find them.
What is more, you were rude. You sent the pirated works to the authors
themselves and to their personal friends, in addition to possibly
hurting sales.
However, speaking only for myself: Apology accepted, let’s forget it.
Hal
But the point which I missed was this: I thought that my illegal
attachments could hurt the authors or publishers just as much as “a
fly’s bite”, not more.
I have very strong opinions about theft/piracy and arguments such as
this (or “info wants to be free” or “I wouldn’t have paid for it
anyway” arguments)… but such opinions usually fall on deaf ears.
Anyway else want to try that, go ahead…
However, here’s what I will say. When you received those documents,
there is an implicit trust (and, more likely, explicit) that both you
and the authors/publishers enter into when you purchased those
documents. You broke that trust. Maybe that means nothing to you, but
to most everyone else on this list, you have harmed the community, not
just now, but also for the future. Think about that next time before
you act.
On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:53 PM, Mubin A. wrote:
It’s me, “the Witch”.
So, did you use your new found knowledge of Ruby, gained from the e-
books, to collect everyones email address?
– Daniel
What is more, you were rude. You sent the pirated works to the authors themselves and to their personal friends, in addition to possibly hurting sales.
I didn’t do it intentionally. I just copied the email addresses and
pasted them. Didn’t even read most of them.
Yes I made a piracy, I am a bad man but I am not so dishonorable:
“Look, I have your book! And guess what? I didn’t pay for it! Hahaha!
Don’t you believe? Look! Hahaha!”.
No. I refuse.
Mubin A. wrote:
Of course, I knew that it was an illegal action, I am not so stupid.
I guess that throws out any affirmative defense. And confirms my
intuition
that…
It was an overtly malicious act and I hope the owners of the
properties do indeed go after them.Gulp! Ohmigod! You want to send me to “Green Mile”?
Sorry I’ve heard of the book but haven’t read it yet. And no, that is
not a
request for you to email me a stolen copy.
Since you’ve established that you knew very well what you were doing, I
certainly do hope the lawyers from the owners and publishing houses are
able
to use your confession to “take you to the cleaners”. In other words,
take
your property and earnings from you in just recompense.
A fly’s bite for a fly’s bite.
J Lambert
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