Start learning from Ruby or directly from Rails

I want to build a small GUI application that makes sense and not just a
Hello World application. I tried wxRuby, FxRuby and other libraries but
all seem to complicate things.

How to learn basics of Ruby and make learning interesting? How you all
started with Ruby? Whether Ruby first or Rails first?

I personally started with Ruby first. I like the books from The
Pragmatic Bookshelf. (pragprog.com)

Douglas Lovell
www.wbreeze.com

My personal view is, and what actually I did is learning rails first. I
think its a good way of starting, because you can create a basic rails
application with no time and that make you feel comfortable and
confidence.
But then start learning how this rails works, and start learning ruby…

Then sooner you will realise rails is not magic it pure ruby

So my advice (my personal)

1 - start developing a basic application in rails
get your self some thing working, be happy be confident

2 - start learning ruby

 you will understand the magic behind rails

;D

cheers

sameera

To rephrase, when you learn RoR from a book aimed at beginners, you will
get the (basic) Ruby knowledge necessary to make your Rails app work.
While
if you start with Ruby, you will not have any idea of MVC, views,
templates, controllers, models etc. The focus will be a lot different
than
if you had been learning from Rails book. I think it’s clear why
starting
with Rails would be more effective: you learn stuff that you need to
advance further in Rails quicker, while at the same time you are free to
deeper your knowledge about a Symbol further on your own, with the help
of
google or whatever.

And what if you miss how Enumerable#each_with_index works, you just
check
that on the internet, and carry on building your shopping cart :wink:

2012/8/1 Gintautas Šimkus [email protected]

IMO, just pick one of the better beginner/tutorial books that advertise

Hello World application. I tried wxRuby, FxRuby and other libraries but
“Ruby on Rails: Talk” group.


Pagarbiai,
Gintautas


Pagarbiai,
Gintautas

How to learn basics of Ruby and make learning interesting? How you all
started with Ruby? Whether Ruby first or Rails first?

I personally started with Ruby first. I like the books from The
Pragmatic Bookshelf. (pragprog.com)

Ruby first. Rails is a great tool for quickly generating crud web
interfaces and dealing with databases (and so much more). But, what it
outputs is Ruby code, and if you understand ruby, you will understand
much of the magic that is Rails.

Better yet, you’ll be in a position to modify and extend the code that
Rails generates to better suit the task at hand and gain a better
understanding of things like ‘method_missing’ which is responsible for
much of the magic behind the Rails curtain.

Feel free to check out http://RubyTalkTips.com. It’s an open source
website for Ruby showing what I have considered to be some of the best
ruby language tips over the past few years from the Ruby T. mailing
list.

– Steve D.

@Steve:

Learning R. alone is difficult. As I said, if I can’t quickly design a
GUI and make a small application with sense, the rest of the journey is
boring.

I’ll check RubyTalkTips.com


Rohit.

Ruby first. Rails is a great tool for quickly generating crud web
interfaces and dealing with databases (and so much more). But, what it
outputs is Ruby code, and if you understand ruby, you will understand
much of the magic that is Rails.

Better yet, you’ll be in a position to modify and extend the code that
Rails generates to better suit the task at hand and gain a better
understanding of things like ‘method_missing’ which is responsible for
much of the magic behind the Rails curtain.

Feel free to check out http://RubyTalkTips.com. It’s an open source
website for Ruby showing what I have considered to be some of the best
ruby language tips over the past few years from the Ruby T. mailing
list.

– Steve D.

Hi ,

My learning curve in ruby and rails is in progressing.

  1. First learn Ruby basic things like iterations, looping , class and
    objects and then
  2. Start jump into the Rails.

Ruby my favorite book is Programming Ruby by “Dave T.” which is
currently following really good one.
for Rails I have searched lot but finally decided
http://guides.rubyonrails.org/ is best and Dave T. book “Agile Web
development with rails”

If you have anything interest pls post

Thanks,
Senthil Srinivasan

How to learn basics of Ruby and make learning interesting? How you all
started with Ruby? Whether Ruby first or Rails first?

I personally started with Ruby first. I like the books from The
Pragmatic Bookshelf. (pragprog.com)

Ruby first. Rails is a great tool for quickly generating crud web
interfaces and dealing with databases (and so much more). But, what it
outputs is Ruby code, and if you understand ruby, you will understand
much of the magic that is Rails.

Better yet, you’ll be in a position to modify and extend the code that
Rails generates to better suit the task at hand and gain a better
understanding of things like ‘method_missing’ which is responsible for
much of the magic behind the Rails curtain.

Feel free to check out http://RubyTalkTips.com. It’s an open source
website for Ruby showing what I have considered to be some of the best
ruby language tips over the past few years from the Ruby T. mailing
list.

– Steve D.

Hi.

Ruby, first so you can get along with Rails more easily, because in the
first place, Rails is built using Ruby language. :wink:

Try Ruby @ tryruby.org that’s where I learned the basics of Ruby. :slight_smile:
After that, head on to CodeSchool and try RailsForZombie course, which
is
FREE. :slight_smile:

I started with Rails. Though I had some strong foundations in OOP and
programming principles in general when diving into RoR.

And I found out that I agree with the idea that you don’t need pure Ruby
knowledge beforehand to learn Rails fast and effectively. Pure ruby will
come into play when you need to code more advanced stuff. You will have
decent knowledge of Ruby if you are good at Rails. It just comes
naturally,
because not everything that is needed FOR Rails app is written IN RoR -
sometimes, it’s just pure ruby.

IMO, just pick one of the better beginner/tutorial books that advertise
“Ruby on rails for beginners”, and keep checking the API documentation
for
both Ruby and RoR when you stumble upon something you don’t understand.
This way you will learn what you need to do things at hand fast, and the
knowledge will build up eventually, for both RoR and Ruby.

I advocate this way also because Ruby is far more general than RoR. RoR
is
pretty much about Web or anything involving browser, while pure Ruby can
be
used as sysadmin language of choice. I think you see where I am going
with
this: it’s better to learn the stuff that you are going to work with/on
(i.e. RoR is far higher priority than Ruby when starting out).

2012/8/1 sameera [email protected]

1 - start developing a basic application in rails
sameera

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