Because of the recent and sudden interest in Ruby on Rails, there is
quite a demand for books that can help people learn to program
efficiently in Ruby. Though the language itself encourages fast
learning and a high degree of programmer productivity, there are still
a number of commonly solved problems and frequently written algorithms
that you shouldn’t need to reinvent to start programming in Ruby. And
– as usual – that’s where the O’Reilly Cookbook series comes in.
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/283/
On 10/5/06, zoat [email protected] wrote:
Because of the recent and sudden interest in Ruby on Rails, there is
Does anyone else think these posts are coming from some sort of
automated
scraper? I don’t know that I’ve ever seen “zoat” reply to anything, and
they
all have such a similar format. In fact, searching for
[email protected] some very similar looking postings in other
domains.
If it is, I’m impressed. Seems to work pretty well!
If it isn’t, my apologies!
Justin
quoth the Justin B.:
If it isn’t, my apologies!
Justin
Yeah, I think the general consensus is that zoat is a bot. Whether or
not Xah
Lee is a bot is another question 
-d
On Oct 5, 2006, at 4:45 PM, darren kirby wrote:
Yeah, I think the general consensus is that zoat is a bot.
I believe a bot posts the articles, but there has been at least one
live post:
James Edward G. II
Umm. You know, there’s fully functional adult people subscribed to this
mailing list that are indeed capable to track subjects they’re
interested in without having someone else feed them links and do the
chore of copy / pasting the intro blurb to it.
Now, unless you can prove you’re an actual person and provide, OMG,
actual original content like your thoughts on the linked-to article, I’m
afraid I’ll have to move you to my special folder for on-target relevant
content that matches my browsing habits, NUL.
David V.
…I think I can answer that myself. Why are you so concerned with
that?
I am not concerned about you all but the community and be able also to
participate.
Is stated somewere in this community that I cannot post some news are
you all not interested in that? What kind of community is that? My
interested ranges everything about Ruby.
You can classify a post if you want but why do that with the people
behind?
If you want to know further about me, I am responsible for the
corporative RUG inside Ericsson and if I am not welcome here please say
so. For me a user group is about collaboration, but as I can see here
is that most of you seemed to be arrogant people.
Sorry by that.
Roberto Nogueira
On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:25:16 +0900
“zoat” [email protected] wrote:
Is stated somewere in this community that I cannot post some news are
you all not interested in that? What kind of community is that? My
interested ranges everything about Ruby.
Whilst I generally find it useful at times, bear in mind that this is
already a high-traffic mailing list when concentrating on ruby matters
per se. The fact that you’re posting fringe snippets in the hope that
some of us might find it “useful” is a little hit and miss.
If people wanted a “Oooh, look what I’ve found” mailing list, they
could use an RSS feed which you yourself could set up. Wouldn’t be
that hard – I am sure the large organisation you work for knows how to
do that.
– Thomas A.
zoat wrote:
…I think I can answer that myself. Why are you so concerned with
that?I am not concerned about you all but the community and be able also to
participate.Is stated somewere in this community that I cannot post some news are
you all not interested in that? What kind of community is that? My
interested ranges everything about Ruby.
I think it’s more a matter of appearance. Since I missed your initial
postings, I thought for a long time that your updates were purely spam,
but I couldn’t see the ‘take’, as it were. For what it’s worth, I do
find some of them interesting, but I’d rather see them as an RSS feed…
You can classify a post if you want but why do that with the people
behind?If you want to know further about me, I am responsible for the
corporative RUG inside Ericsson and if I am not welcome here please say
so. For me a user group is about collaboration, but as I can see here
is that most of you seemed to be arrogant people.
That’s a rather harsh judgement to make from, what, four replies?
You’re right that a user group is about collaboration, and yet all we’ve
seen from your address recently is a one-way stream of information
which, because you don’t interact in any other threads, leads people
(myself include) to believe that you either aren’t interested in, or
aren’t capable of, interaction. You’ve now corrected that
To steer this in a slightly more productive direction, what uses is Ruby
being put to inside Ericsson? How many are involved in the RUG as a
proportion of the developer community? Is it growing?
If you want to know further about me, I am responsible for the
corporative RUG inside Ericsson and if I am not welcome here please say
so. For me a user group is about collaboration, but as I can see here
is that most of you seemed to be arrogant people.
I’m certainly an arrogant person, but I’m lovely once you get to know
me.
As for everyone else, some are arrogant, some are not. The usual range
of human personality types. Don’t hold it against us.
Martin
…for me this is limitating, the abridge email is to handle a
high-traffic mailing and unlike Ericsson KSTool - Google has that.
Collaboration should be something unconditional.
So I do not want to belong in a user group that is wondering all the
time if I am a spambot or not? What are they doing that consider
themselves so important? Anyway this has bothered me already, so I am
disjoining.
…for me this is limitating, the abridge email is to handle a
high-traffic mailing and unlike Ericsson KSTool - Google has that.
Collaboration should be something unconditional.
So I do not want to belong in a user group that is wondering all the
time if I am a spambot or not? What are they doing that consider
themselves so important? Anyway this has bothered me already, so I am
disjoining.
On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:00 AM, zoat wrote:
So I do not want to belong in a user group that is wondering all the
time if I am a spambot or not? What are they doing that consider
themselves so important? Anyway this has bothered me already, so I am
disjoining.
You’re angry with us because we wanted to know if you were a live
person??? That seems pretty odd to me.
I read back through this thread and found people saying they like the
service you are providing. A couple of people said they that felt
their might be better ways to share this information, but I do not
feel they were rude in any way.
In your own words, “Collaboration should be something
unconditional.” We are now trying to collaborate with you and you
are running off.
James Edward G. II
zoat wrote:
If you want to know further about me, I am responsible for the
corporative RUG inside Ericsson and if I am not welcome here please say
so. For me a user group is about collaboration, but as I can see here
is that most of you seemed to be arrogant people.Sorry by that.
Roberto Nogueira
Ah … were you by any chance at the Erlang workshop in Portland, Oregon
last month? And does Ruby have any real foothold in the land of Erlang?
zoat wrote:
So I do not want to belong in a user group that is wondering all the
time if I am a spambot or not?
There once was a spambot that lurked on several newsgroups and mailing
lists that would
notice queries and post template messages that pointed the OP to a book
that /might/ be of use and gave a link to some on line bookshop that
sold the book. It was smart enough to post only every two or three days
and was probably a modified faqbot.
Your post are eerily similar and give the fact that your original post
seems to be better written than your response does not weaken the
impression.
Martin C. wrote:
If you want to know further about me, I am responsible for the
corporative RUG inside Ericsson and if I am not welcome here please say
so. For me a user group is about collaboration, but as I can see here
is that most of you seemed to be arrogant people.I’m certainly an arrogant person, but I’m lovely once you get to know me.
As for everyone else, some are arrogant, some are not. The usual range
of human personality types. Don’t hold it against us.
I don’t usually discriminate based on arrogance. Some
of my best friends are arrogant.
Hal
zoat wrote:
…for me this is limitating, the abridge email is to handle a
high-traffic mailing and unlike Ericsson KSTool - Google has that.
Collaboration should be something unconditional.So I do not want to belong in a user group that is wondering all the
time if I am a spambot or not? What are they doing that consider
themselves so important? Anyway this has bothered me already, so I am
disjoining.
Go or stay as you choose.
Since you are not a spambot, you are welcome. But your
(previous) posting style made you appear to be one.
But I do regret any misunderstanding.
Hal
On 10/6/06, James Edward G. II [email protected] wrote:
Sorry for violating DRY, I just would think it is important to backup what
James said,
I read lots of the links you provided, and yet it is completely normal
that
we were not happy to know if you were a BOT.
Maybe you forgot the general rule, do not reply to a BOT, now that we
know
we will give feedback about your links and I think that kind of feedback
should let you decide if you stay or not, I found most of your postings
useful, if you can take a more humourous view of that “affaire” I would
be
very glad to continue to read your posts.
And just an idea, why not sign with your “beautiful name” 
Robert (disculpa si el o hace falta)
Cheers
–
Deux choses sont infinies : l’univers et la bêtise humaine ; en ce qui
concerne l’univers, je n’en ai pas acquis la certitude absolue.
- Albert Einstein
“I think I can answer that myself. Why are you so concerned with
that?”
Well of course its boring to talk to a bot!
So its much better to really SEE that you are a human being and not
ruby-cyborg 2052 posting, you see 
If you have to worry that much about a user group which
prefers to see humans chatting/writing, then maybe you should
join a bot group - or just stop worrying about
that and write questions. Your initial comment in this
thread was mostly a relais from Rails to
Ruby Cookbook + a link … kinda hard to see whether you
are a human or a bot you see?