Ruby Certification Test

In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/
releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby P.ming Language
Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue
city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February
of 2008.

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!

For more information,
contact Mr. Shugo M. at:
[email protected]

I for one, hope we can establish a testing location in Austin!

Note:
Although the demand for certifications varies with different
technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about
everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but
relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your
dedication to the subject matter.

On Oct 22, 2007, at 8:39 PM, John J. wrote:

reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!

PLEASE tell me it’s possible to achieve online! I’ve counted two
rubyists in my state who aren’t 3 hours away.

Ruby Rox My Sox AND Yours
---------------------------------------------------------------|
~Ari
“I don’t suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it” --1337est
man alive

On Oct 22, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Ari B. wrote:

February of 2008.

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to
hear about it!

PLEASE tell me it’s possible to achieve online! I’ve counted
two rubyists in my state who aren’t 3 hours away.
Not yet, but apparently it will be in the near future. There were not
many details available, only an announcement really.
FAIK it could be Duke Nukem’ Forever…

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Ari B. wrote:

PLEASE tell me it’s possible to achieve online! I’ve counted two rubyists
in my state who aren’t 3 hours away.

You aren’t in Wyoming, are you? :slight_smile:

Kirk H.
in Veteran, Wyoming

On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Arlen Christian Mart C. wrote:

On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 10:42 +0900, Ari B. wrote:

PLEASE tell me it’s possible to achieve online! I’ve counted two
rubyists in my state who aren’t 3 hours away.

Try Australia … hm… but certification sounds awesome.

Arlen

The US isn’t the only place with “states”!
Mexico has states too.

On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 10:42 +0900, Ari B. wrote:

PLEASE tell me it’s possible to achieve online! I’ve counted two
rubyists in my state who aren’t 3 hours away.

Try Australia … hm… but certification sounds awesome.

Arlen

On 10/23/07, John J. [email protected] wrote:

Arlen

The US isn’t the only place with “states”!

Let alone the only “United States”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_(disambiguation)


Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

The US isn’t the only place with “states”!
Mexico has states too.
I have even seen machines with states :wink:
R.

Amen!

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!

For me this is great news! I live in Colombia and this country is
obsessed with certifications and certifcates.

I certainly hope the test is available online because we are certainly
lacking on testing centres in this neck of the jungle (just kidding…
no jungle)

Hi –

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Pat M. wrote:

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
Although the demand for certifications varies with different

There’s 0 chance that I’d get a Ruby certification, and I’d laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.

I would say that about any unofficial certification, but if Matz and
Shugo are behind it, it’s probably reasonable to give it a bit more
weight or at least a second look.

David

My experience with certification is that they do not worth the paper
where
they are printed.
Although I hold several certifications, they really do not testify of
the
actual knowledge of the holder.
I know dozens of people with multiple certifications (CCNA, CCNP, AIX,
Solaris, Linux, Java. mierda) and they do not know where to even start
solving a problem in the field where they hold their certification.
Matter
of fact, one of my best friends passed a Unix certification without ever
login in to the OS.
I believe it is more reliable to give someone a test or an in-depth
interview than asking for a certification.
But, Ruby will follow the rest, after all this is a democracy, isn’t it?

Victor

PS: Joke or no joke, Colombia is not a jungle. Although people like
Jason
would like the world to believe just that!

Pat M. wrote:

There’s 0 chance that I’d get a Ruby certification, and I’d laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.

Pat

:slight_smile:

It’s interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.

Is there a shark pool nearby? With a ramp?

:slight_smile:


James B.

www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation
www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
www.risingtidesoftware.com - Wicked Cool Coding

On Oct 23, 2007, at 10:03 AM, [email protected] wrote:

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Ari B. wrote:

PLEASE tell me it’s possible to achieve online! I’ve counted
two rubyists in my state who aren’t 3 hours away.

You aren’t in Wyoming, are you? :slight_smile:

Close.

New Hampshire / Vermont

In terms on online security, that pretty much nailed me down to one
of 3 people :smiley:

---------------------------------------------------------------|
~Ari
“I don’t suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it” --1337est
man alive

On 10/22/07, John J. [email protected] wrote:

reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about
everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but
relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your
dedication to the subject matter.

There’s 0 chance that I’d get a Ruby certification, and I’d laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.

Pat

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:02:17 +0900, James B. wrote:

It’s interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.

Well, my first instinct was to get snarky, but the more I read, the more
I
realized that I shouldn’t assume that other countries have the same
employment culture as the U.S. - and, particularly, the U.S. in the
Internet sector.

I do like the opportunity to point out a great quote by Steve Yegge:

“Certification is for the weak. It’s something that flags you as a
technician when you really want to be an engineer. If you want to be a
television repairman, you can become certified in TV repair. If you want
to
work for Sony and design their next big-screen TV, then you clearly
don’t
need a busy-working-adults course on how to repair the fugging things.”

http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2007/09/ten-tips-for-slightly-less-awful-resume.html

On Oct 24, 2007, at 3:50 AM, Jay L. wrote:

employment culture as the U.S. - and, particularly, the U.S. in the
need a busy-working-adults course on how to repair the fugging

Actually, that’s a horrible quote. The Japanese engineers who design
TVs and LCD monitors are full of certs and ISOs and stuff. One of my
in-laws is one of them.
In any country there exists the possibility for the truly brilliant
to do what they do without these things. But it is good to have them.
It is simply one way to show evidence of your abilities.

On 10/24/07, James B. [email protected] wrote:

It’s interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.

Is there a shark pool nearby? With a ramp?

:slight_smile:

Oh right, I forgot to mention it,

certifications stink,
thanx for reminding me James :wink:
R.

On 10/24/07, John J. [email protected] wrote:

Well, my first instinct was to get snarky, but the more I read, the
want to
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Actually, that’s a horrible quote. The Japanese engineers who design
TVs and LCD monitors are full of certs and ISOs and stuff. One of my
in-laws is one of them.
In any country there exists the possibility for the truly brilliant
to do what they do without these things. But it is good to have them.
It is simply one way to show evidence of your abilities.

Hmm, I really go with James on this, this has been discussed on this
list and a huge majority agreed that certificates are a business way
to exploit a hype.

Now I cannot say how this is in Japan and I have overlooked that we
were indeed talking about a Japanese certification. My apologies if
what I think about the West World Certificates does not apply for you.
If certificates are indeed part of your culture than they are for sure
more than a business hype.

Notwithstanding I believe that certificates for Ruby - on a global
base - are a very bad idea.

Cheers
Robert

On 10/24/07, Robert D. [email protected] wrote:

Notwithstanding I believe that certificates for Ruby - on a global
base - are a very bad idea.

Cheers
Robert

I agree. The best place to find Ruby talent is probably on this list
and also the good people that have contributed to rubyforge (which I
have not, oh well :wink:

I’ve met many certified people that didn’t know one thing from the
other when it really came down to it.

I will say, however, that the PE (professional engineer test) is
pretty good at ferreting out who knows bull crap and who knows what
they’re doing. It’s almost like Ruby Q., in a way.

Todd

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