Chad P. wrote:
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 11:17:30AM +0900, Joe W. wrote:
T.
If someone named a program “God”, and people don’t like people
complaining about the use of the word, what if someone named a program
the word Satan? Im sure the first set of people would not like that, and
the first people would become the second, and vice-versa.
You mean like this?
SATAN
Yes. Exactly like that. I don’t have a problem with it if it doesn’t
make any Satanist references. Like a black goat symbol, or the maker of
the programs idea of what Satan looks like. Because each of the letters
in Satan stands for something in the programs longer name. Some Security
program or something.
On 7/13/07, Joe W. [email protected] wrote:
If your definition of daemon matches mine of Demon, then I think that
demon is far from satanic. It’s origins maybe be from biblical history,
but people now-a-days use the terms “demon” and “demonic” just to mean
evil. And they use them alot in video games. But they never end up
getting sued, or making them change their monsters names, etc. So I
think your anolgies are just plain stupid.
Yet you just supported and highlighted my entire point, since I was
using
sarcasm to say, yes, this is stupid and, yes, words /do/ have different
meanings, which is why it makes no sense people getting their panties in
a
twist.
and why would you name a drive ‘slave’?
That’s just waiting to get you yelled at, or sued.
I’m not sure if you’re trolling or not, but I’ll take the bait… Google
for
“slave drive.” It’s a common term. Amusingly, however, the term “slave
drive” was idiotically banned in some Los A. city departments for
the
potential of “offense.”
Anyway, people should take a leaf out of DHH’s book with his infamous FU
slide and just name their projects, software, or anything whatever they
like
(or take why’s approach and use rather more abstract names to
confuse us
all ;-))
Cheers,
Peter C.
Peter C. wrote:
On 7/13/07, Joe W. [email protected] wrote:
If your definition of daemon matches mine of Demon, then I think that
demon is far from satanic. It’s origins maybe be from biblical history,
but people now-a-days use the terms “demon” and “demonic” just to mean
evil. And they use them alot in video games. But they never end up
getting sued, or making them change their monsters names, etc. So I
think your anolgies are just plain stupid.
Yet you just supported and highlighted my entire point, since I was
using
sarcasm to say, yes, this is stupid and, yes, words /do/ have different
meanings, which is why it makes no sense people getting their panties in
a
twist.
and why would you name a drive ‘slave’?
That’s just waiting to get you yelled at, or sued.
I’m not sure if you’re trolling or not, but I’ll take the bait… Google
for
“slave drive.” It’s a common term. Amusingly, however, the term “slave
drive” was idiotically banned in some Los A. city departments for
the
potential of “offense.”
Anyway, people should take a leaf out of DHH’s book with his infamous FU
slide and just name their projects, software, or anything whatever they
like
(or take why’s approach and use rather more abstract names to
confuse us
all ;-))
Cheers,
Peter C.
http://www.rubyinside.com/
Lol. I thought you were being serious. Sorry if I dont know what a slave
drive is, but I just started trying to learn how to code. I’v spent the
last 5 days using search engines to try to find how to make a game, and
got all bologna. All the websites just told me to learn the basics
before trying something big. They compared it to stupid things like
running before walking, and diving before swimming. I have one thing to
say. I ran before I could walk. Could have been classified as stumbling,
but never the less, I stayed on my feet at a pace too fast to be called
walking. And I dived long before I could ‘swim’. Of course it was an
accedent. I fell into a small pool about 6 inches taller than me, but I
still swam back up to the surface and bobbed until someone noticed. So I
am going to ignore their advice and such, and only listen to Why’s
guide. but as for abstract names, how would you like your favorite video
game to be called The Mexican Lepresy Tornado Flatulated Monkey Chair
Hops?
Master / Slave is a device status on a device controller. It is
usually with hard drives.
On many older shared controllers you could plug in two devices (hard
drive, optical drive, floppy, etc…)
One connector was the master, and it got priority communication with
the system (and generally more bandwidth) the other device was a
slave and got less.
In the 90’s it became controversial although the term was around for
a LONG time and only implied the relationship between the devices.
Hassan S. wrote:
On 7/12/07, Joe W. [email protected] wrote:
If someone named a program “God”, and people don’t like people
complaining about the use of the word, what if someone named a program
the word Satan?
Sigh. How soon they forget 
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1995-06.html
That link led me to a 404 error page. Am I supposed to beleive that I
forgot about 404 error pages? Just tell me straight forward what I
forgot? And who is this ‘they’ of which you speak? Because that, my
friend, is an unspecific term that probably also targets people who
might not have forgotten whatever it is which you think ‘they’ forgot.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 12:07:28PM +0900, Joe W. wrote:
You mean like this?
SATAN
Yes. Exactly like that. I don’t have a problem with it if it doesn’t
make any Satanist references. Like a black goat symbol, or the maker of
the programs idea of what Satan looks like. Because each of the letters
in Satan stands for something in the programs longer name. Some Security
program or something.
So . . . what do you think of this?
The BSD Daemon | The FreeBSD Project
John J. wrote:
Master / Slave is a device status on a device controller. It is
usually with hard drives.
On many older shared controllers you could plug in two devices (hard
drive, optical drive, floppy, etc…)
One connector was the master, and it got priority communication with
the system (and generally more bandwidth) the other device was a
slave and got less.
In the 90’s it became controversial although the term was around for
a LONG time and only implied the relationship between the devices.
It does seem rather offensive when you say put it that way. I think the
term should be changed. Maybe Parent/Child, or Teacher/Student, or
CEO/Mail Clerk.
All less offensive, all same meaning. Depending on what kind of parents
you had. Master/Pupil. Theres another one.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 02:05:52PM +0900, Joe W. wrote:
It does seem rather offensive when you say put it that way. I think the
term should be changed. Maybe Parent/Child, or Teacher/Student, or
CEO/Mail Clerk.
All less offensive, all same meaning. Depending on what kind of parents
you had. Master/Pupil. Theres another one.
I really don’t think the IT industry in general is going to stop
calling them “master” and “slave” drives any time soon. You’d be about
as likely to get people to change “client” and “server” to “red” and
“black”, or “functional” and “object oriented” to “poppy” and
“sunflower”. These are not terms that just came into use last week.
What do we learn?
Giving good names is not so easy!
SPS: btw “daemons” is not the same as “demons” - not that either one
would be a good, meaningful name. 
Marc H. said the following on 07/13/2007 05:32 AM:
SPS: btw “daemons” is not the same as “demons” - not that either one
would be a good, meaningful name.
Maybe gnomes (or gremlins) would be more meaningful. =)
Yeah, but there’s already a gnome in the Linux world…
On 7/13/07, sy1234 [email protected] wrote:
Marc H. said the following on 07/13/2007 05:32 AM:
SPS: btw “daemons” is not the same as “demons” - not that either one
would be a good, meaningful name. 
Maybe gnomes (or gremlins) would be more meaningful. =)
I vote “Long running processes that run in the background, and will
often just shutdown beacause people code them bad and their isn’t a
long running process manager to control them, well there are but no
good ones, oh wait god came out? Then the problem is solved”
But I suppose that’s a mouthful. Let’s stick with daemon
Or Largely Used Cyber Implementation For Executing Runnables Silently.
Doesn’t sound very biblical to me.
Ok, it would be a mouthfull too. Perhaps initialed ?..
I always understood that “god” means “god over daemons”
A recursive acronym is very old tradition in programming.
Or Largely Used Cyber Implementation For Executing Runnables Silently.
Doesn’t sound very biblical to me.
Ok, it would be a mouthfull too. Perhaps initialed ?..
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:32:46 +0900, Marc H. [email protected]
wrote:
SPS: btw “daemons” is not the same as “demons” - not that either one
would be a good, meaningful name.
Really? While “demons” would obviously be a poor name, the ancient
greek notion of daemons (eudaemons, particularly) seems like a pretty
decent analogy for such background processes.
-mental
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:23 +0900, Joe W.
[email protected] wrote:
If your definition of daemon matches mine of Demon, then I think that
demon is far from satanic.
The term is a little overloaded; while daemon and demon share an
etymology,
the former spelling was chosen to unambiguously refer to greek notions
about
lower demigods (rather than fallen angels), and they mean different
things
at this point.
It’s origins maybe be from biblical history,
but people now-a-days use the terms “demon” and “demonic” just to mean
evil. And they use them alot in video games.
As far as I can tell, these days a lot of culturally illiterate fantasy
authors (up to and including a lot of game writers) simply use “demon”
to mean a sort of monster, whether evil or ambivalent.
-mental
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:40:54 +0900, “Gregory B.”
[email protected] wrote:
I guess it has several meanings and the greek notion is the closest to
the technical term, I suppose.
Pretty much. I wonder if most get the reference, though.
I’m fine with its use as the technical term, though I probably
would have chosen a different word if it were up to me to choose
from scratch.
-mental
Marc H. wrote:
What do we learn?
Giving good names is not so easy!
SPS: btw “daemons” is not the same as “demons” - not that either one
would be a good, meaningful name.
Read em and weep sucker. This is from whatever page that was that the
dude linked to about some kind of Daemon program.
“Many people equate the word daemon'' with the worddemon,’’
implying some kind of Satanic connection between UNIX and the
underworld. This is an egregious misunderstanding. Daemon'' is actually a much older form ofdemon’’; daemons have no particular bias
towards good or evil, but rather serve to help define a person’s
character or personality. The ancient Greeks’ concept of a personal daemon'' was similar to the modern concept of aguardian angel’’ —
``eudaemonia’’ is the state of being helped or protected by a kindly
spirit. As a rule, UNIX systems seem to be infested with both daemons
and demons.” (p403)
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:00:01 +0900, sy1234 [email protected] wrote:
Marc H. said the following on 07/13/2007 05:32 AM:
SPS: btw “daemons” is not the same as “demons” - not that either one
would be a good, meaningful name.
Maybe gnomes (or gremlins) would be more meaningful. =)
Lessee… tiny ground-dwellers (gnomes), or squat creatures that
sabotaged WWII aircraft (gremlins). I dunno…
-mental
Mental G. wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:23 +0900, Joe W.
[email protected] wrote:
If your definition of daemon matches mine of Demon, then I think that
demon is far from satanic.
The term is a little overloaded; while daemon and demon share an
etymology,
the former spelling was chosen to unambiguously refer to greek notions
about
lower demigods (rather than fallen angels), and they mean different
things
at this point.
It’s origins maybe be from biblical history,
but people now-a-days use the terms “demon” and “demonic” just to mean
evil. And they use them alot in video games.
As far as I can tell, these days a lot of culturally illiterate fantasy
authors (up to and including a lot of game writers) simply use “demon”
to mean a sort of monster, whether evil or ambivalent.
-mental
Good idea. Let’s go and sue Runescape, Dungeons and Dragons, World of
Warcraft, Diablo, and every other company that uses the word Demon!
Huzah!