Rails on a Mac - I've seen the light

Well I finally broke down and got me one of those Intel iMacs and a copy
of Textmate. It took me a bit to get use to Textmate but once I learned
some of the shortcuts I was cruising. Mac OS X took very little time to
get used to as I already had a decent *nix background. Up until this
point I had been primarily on Windows.

Some of the productivity highlights I’ve found:

  1. My CPU cycles are not being eatten by virus scanners and firewalls
    anymore.
  2. MySQL actually runs better on my new Mac than it did on Windows (why
    is this? It uses less memory and seems more responsive)
  3. With tools like Darwinports I can bring down most any package I want
    in a few minutes
  4. No .NET. I didn’t realize how painfully slow .NET actually is and
    how much of a memory hog it is. Rogue ASP.NET worker processes eatting
    tons of ram. IIS crapping out on large file uploads. WinForms taking
    10+ meg just to display “Hello World”. I’ve seen too many ASP.NET apps
    degrade over time, RoR doesn’t. ASP.NET is a good tool - don’t get me
    wrong, but its definately NOT keeping up with Rails, or even PHP for
    that matter IHMO.
  5. When I need to grab something off of Windows I use Parallels.com
    nifty tool and put Windows in a little jail cell so it cannot hurt
    itself and I can run Windows in near native speed. I gotta admit
    though, once I migrated my stuff from Windows I haven’t booted it up
    anymore…
  6. XCode, why doesn’t this wonderful tool get more press?? Its awesome.
  7. Rails likes Macs more than Windows (Well, at least I think so).

For those that haven’t experienced the new Intel Macs, I suggest you
give it a try as I’ve been very happy. Honestly if I was Dell I’d be a
little worried about the new Macs, they are fast, sleek, and ready to go
out of the box. They are not loaded with AOL, Compuserver, MSN, etc.
garbage or other spyware apps. The MacBook will be my next purchase.
Well, actually now that I think of it if I was Dell I’d proably shutdown
the company and give the money back to the shareholders :wink:

Well I had better get out of here before Steve Ballmer tosses a chair at
me.

So, you spent thousands of dollars on TextMate too? It’s a pretty pricey
app
for us “switchers”. :slight_smile:

-schmo

Jason T. wrote:

  1. MySQL actually runs better on my new Mac than it did on Windows (why
  2. When I need to grab something off of Windows I use Parallels.com
    out of the box. They are not loaded with AOL, Compuserver, MSN, etc.
    garbage or other spyware apps. The MacBook will be my next purchase.
    Well, actually now that I think of it if I was Dell I’d proably shutdown
    the company and give the money back to the shareholders :wink:
    http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/apple_passes_dell_in_market_value

Well I had better get out of here before Steve Ballmer tosses a chair at


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nothing. To run ubuntu.

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Now Go and download Quicksilver(my god, you must use this program),
Adium, Desktop Manager and Cyberduck and just be amazed.

I can’t believe I ran windows so long and “hated” mac users, but then
after I started using linux at my job, I started liking using unix, and
it seems that OSX is just a real pretty body kit on an 1100hp dragster.

Also, pick up a tutorial on bash scripting, and look and apple’s
tutorial on Automater(comes with your mac). Automater is like the old
windows tool macro recorder, except 100x better and allows interactivity
with the user.

Jason T. wrote:

Well I finally broke down and got me one of those Intel iMacs and a copy
of Textmate. It took me a bit to get use to Textmate but once I learned
some of the shortcuts I was cruising. Mac OS X took very little time to
get used to as I already had a decent *nix background. Up until this
point I had been primarily on Windows.

Always good to see another “switcher” climb onboard. Welcome to freedom
from the monopoly chair throwing, Google panic’d, code stealing, Vista
never shipping, and XBox losing money clowns.

Always good to see another “switcher” climb onboard. Welcome to freedom
from the monopoly

you mean, “Thank you for trading your Microsoft monopoly for the hipper,
more socially-acceptable Apple monopoly” :slight_smile:

On Tue, 2006-07-11 at 04:01 +0000, carmen wrote:

Always good to see another “switcher” climb onboard. Welcome to freedom
from the monopoly

you mean, “Thank you for trading your Microsoft monopoly for the hipper, more socially-acceptable Apple monopoly” :slight_smile:


you mean the other company that wants to control your media
viewing/listening experience, enforce their view of digital rights
management and is trying to branch out into the appliance market to
dominate another technology segment.

Why is it that Macintosh users view themselves as free of the Microsoft
monopoly before they fire up a copy of Microsoft Office and a copy of
iTunes which can only purchase from the Apple owned iTunes Store which
encodes Apple’s DRM and thinks that they have found freedom?

Craig

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006, Craig W. wrote:

Why is it that Macintosh users view themselves as free of the Microsoft
monopoly before they fire up a copy of Microsoft Office and a copy of
iTunes which can only purchase from the Apple owned iTunes Store which
encodes Apple’s DRM and thinks that they have found freedom?

Because lots of mac users don’t use Office and don’t buy songs from
iTunes? It still plays mp3s just fine…

Ben

On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 23:22 -0700, Ben B. wrote:

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006, Craig W. wrote:

Why is it that Macintosh users view themselves as free of the Microsoft
monopoly before they fire up a copy of Microsoft Office and a copy of
iTunes which can only purchase from the Apple owned iTunes Store which
encodes Apple’s DRM and thinks that they have found freedom?

Because lots of mac users don’t use Office and don’t buy songs from
iTunes? It still plays mp3s just fine…


you have to know that I was going to look at the headers of your email
to see what MUA you used half expecting for it to say Entourage :wink:

(it said mutt)

I would dispute your ‘lots’ of Mac users assertion but I have no
empirical data…only anecdotal data which has me believing in 100% of
the Mac users having Microsoft Office on their systems, either purchased
or otherwise.

Freedom however, until the next update of Mac OS X and then you can pony
up $120 for the upgrade (and whatever for iLife, etc.)

Craig

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006, Craig W. wrote:

you have to know that I was going to look at the headers of your email
to see what MUA you used half expecting for it to say Entourage :wink:

Hahahah :slight_smile:

(it said mutt)

On my linux box, to which I’m ssh’ed inside Terminal.app :slight_smile: I do have
Mail.app running, though. DarwinPorts mutt does not have all the
features that I need :wink:

I would dispute your ‘lots’ of Mac users assertion but I have no
empirical data…only anecdotal data which has me believing in 100% of
the Mac users having Microsoft Office on their systems, either purchased
or otherwise.

I’m a programmer, I don’t need/use office stuff. 90% of the mac users I
know are programmers, and don’t need/use it either. When someone sends
me a .doc, it opens in TextEdit. When I need to compose one (never) I
use my windows box.

I think what you’re saying is probably true on the whole, but is less
true in the developer community.

Freedom however, until the next update of Mac OS X and then you can pony
up $120 for the upgrade (and whatever for iLife, etc.)

Yeah. There is certainly a lot of stupid fanboyness in the Apple
community about how everything is free and wonderful and shiny and isn’t
Steve so dreamy. The other 10% of mac users I know (non-developers)
are creative professionals, and that makes 100% of mac users I know who
recognize that their computer is a tool and don’t mind spending money on
it to keep making money with it.

If I didn’t have a PowerBook, I’d absolutely be running ubuntu on a
thinkpad. I bet lots of people would say the same thing. But I do have
a powerbook and I love it :slight_smile:

Ben

Jason T. wrote:

  1. My CPU cycles are not being eatten by virus scanners and firewalls
    anymore.

I use (Ubuntu) Linux and me neither.

  1. MySQL actually runs better on my new Mac than it did on Windows (why
    is this? It uses less memory and seems more responsive)

Me too!

  1. With tools like Darwinports I can bring down most any package I want
    in a few minutes

Me too! (Synaptic)

  1. No .NET.

Me too!

  1. When I need to grab something off of Windows I use Parallels.com

Me too! (wine)

  1. XCode, why doesn’t this wonderful tool get more press?? Its awesome.

Me too! (GTK)

  1. Rails likes Macs more than Windows (Well, at least I think so).

Me too! (and maybe like Linux more than Macs?)

Honestly if I was Dell I’d be a little worried about the new Macs they are fast, sleek, and ready to go out of the box.

I’m not Dell but I bought a Sony Vaio TX3 with Core Solo that is all
that and more in less than 1 inch and 3 pounds. Ok maybe not that ready
out of the box, but as Craig W. said, I won’t be paying my next
upgrade of Linux. And I don’t support a company that supports locked
file formats, like Microsoft or Apple.

And for sure I’m not loaded with AOL, Compuserver, MSN, iTunes garbage
or other spyware! :slight_smile:

On Mon, 2006-07-10 at 23:57 -0700, Ben B. wrote:

recognize that their computer is a tool and don’t mind spending money
on
it to keep making money with it.

If I didn’t have a PowerBook, I’d absolutely be running ubuntu on a
thinkpad. I bet lots of people would say the same thing. But I do
have
a powerbook and I love it :slight_smile:


I don’t think that there is that much difference between any of the OS’s

  • I have all 3 available at the touch of a keyboard via KVM but I really
    am only using Linux these days (OK, I admit to using InDesign
    occasionally). I could work on any OS at this stage and do fine.

The thing that gripes me (and this is a former head of an Apple user
group typing), is the proselytizing by Macintosh users - even ignoring
the hard core anti-Microsoft sentiment so prevalent, that makes Jehovah
Witness greeters seem tame by comparison. It’s as if they didn’t notice
that even Guy Kawasaki stopped banging the drum 10 years ago.

Their hardware is getting cheesier all the time as well…you can’t put
the MacBook laptop’s in your lap or you will be burned.

Craig

ps: even your commentary about darwin ports of mutt is evidence that OS
X doesn’t do UNIX all that well and I’ve been bit a few times in that
arena myself (need I say umask?)

On 7/11/06, Craig W. [email protected] wrote:

you mean the other company that wants to control your media
viewing/listening experience, enforce their view of digital rights
management and is trying to branch out into the appliance market to
dominate another technology segment.

are you talking about computers companies or (insert any other industry
here)?

carmen wrote:

you mean, “Thank you for trading your Microsoft monopoly for the hipper,
more socially-acceptable Apple monopoly” :slight_smile:

Well, I guess the point is Microsoft used illegal tactics to control a
monopoly and hang onto it. Apple is anything but a monopoly - they just
don’t have the marketshare. Even just looking at the iPod market they
are not a monopoly in the sense they control 98% of the market because
they don’t. Creative, Sony, Dell, etc. all have a presence and I
haven’t seen Apple making any shady deals to retain what they have.

Remember, its no illegal to have a monopoly in the U.S. Where it gets
illegal is using certain under the table tactics to retain that
monopoly.

My conscience does feel better with Apple by the way. I couldn’t
stomach Microsoft anymore and they fact they’ve probably held back the
computer industry as a whole by about 10 years.

Jonathan Métillon wrote:

I use (Ubuntu) Linux and me neither.

I tried Ubuntu. Its “ok” but it is a real bear to get working with an
up to date Ruby/RoR. I don’t mind it as a distro - honestly, but if I
had to pick I’d probably still go with Fedora if I wasn’t on Mac OS X.

Me too! (wine)

My experiences with Wine are that most things don’t work well. I can
(and have) run Visual Studio .NET under Parallels, you cannot do that
with Wine.

Me too! (GTK)

Well, I have to differ here. Xcode is much more polished IMHO than GTK
or KDevelop.

I’m not Dell but I bought a Sony Vaio TX3 with Core Solo that is all
that and more in less than 1 inch and 3 pounds. Ok maybe not that ready
out of the box, but as Craig W. said, I won’t be paying my next
upgrade of Linux. And I don’t support a company that supports locked
file formats, like Microsoft or Apple.

I don’t have any issues with locking in formats. Far too much pirating
going on, everyone I know that is scared of locking in file formats,
etc. is pirating movies, songs, games, etc. I’m not saying everyone
concerned on file formats are doing these actions - but the people I
know ARE doing this.

Now Go and download Quicksilver(my god, you must use this program),

Does anyone else have the latest version of Quicksilver constantly
crashing on them?

Adium, Desktop Manager and Cyberduck and just be amazed.

All excellent programs, though I recently switched over to the Virtue
desktop manager instead after Tim B. pointed it out to me. Very
convenient if you tend to keep similar apps grouped on the same
desktop.

Cheers,
Bob A.

AIM: sporkmonger
Jabber: [email protected]

On 7/11/06, Jason T. [email protected] wrote:

I tried Ubuntu. Its “ok” but it is a real bear to get working with an
up to date Ruby/RoR. I don’t mind it as a distro - honestly, but if I
had to pick I’d probably still go with Fedora if I wasn’t on Mac OS X.

I’ve seen people say this a few times but it’s not my experience. Ruby
as packaged in ubuntu is fine. You just need to install rubygems by
hand and then after that all is done with the gem command. “gem
install rails” and all that. Installing mysql/postgresql is pretty
easy too since they’re both well packaged.

Pedro.

Ben B. wrote:

Yeah. There is certainly a lot of stupid fanboyness in the Apple
community about how everything is free and wonderful and shiny and isn’t
Steve so dreamy. The other 10% of mac users I know (non-developers)

True. But honestly, have you ever watched Bill Gates do a keynote?
Talk about sleepy time… ZZzzz Zzzz Zzzz. Then, turn around and watch
Steve Jobs do a keynote - big difference :slight_smile:

Steve Jobs clearly turned Apple around, I think we can all agree on
that. When Bill Gates leaves in two years I actually think Microsoft
would benefit, especially if Ballmer was to follow Gates out. For one
thing, they wouldn’t have to be settling out of court to everyone
they’ve stepped on, ie: Sun, AOL, Novell, Orange, Burst, Netscape,
Apple, etc. That alone would benefit the shareholders. Now the EU is
going to fine them 2 million Euros per day. How do investors put up
with Microsoft burning up their dividends? I’ve ALWAYS predicted in the
end what will do Microsoft in will be Microsoft.

Jonathan Métillon wrote:

Jason T. wrote:

  1. My CPU cycles are not being eatten by virus scanners and firewalls
    anymore.

I use (Ubuntu) Linux and me neither.

This has to do with the way Unix (and Linux) spawn processes. It is more
efficient.

Other than that, the code in the OS is probably cleaner for OS/X and
Linux than for Windows. This is a guess based on similar evidence
comparing MS products to Open source products.

(See here: http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/index.php?p=311 for a
comparison of Apache and IIS, for instance. This is an amazing
difference. This is how MS writes software, so you needn’t ask why its
slower!)

Use the OS you feel most comfortable and productive with. If the OS is
getting in your way, please try another. You my be suprised, or
dissapointed.

DHH makes the point that happy programmers are motivated and productive
programmers. I use Linux, it makes me happy. If a Mac or a Windows box
works for you, well good!

On 7/11/06, sean lynch [email protected] wrote:

DHH makes the point that happy programmers are motivated and productive
programmers. I use Linux, it makes me happy. If a Mac or a Windows box
works for you, well good!

Exactly. They’re just tools. I use OS X, Linux and WinXP for
development. I get to have holy wars with myself.

If you’re doing Ruby development (or Java for that matter) it hardly
matters what OS you’re using anymore. I find that IE and Word are the
main reason to have XP hanging around, and several clients still use
Lotus Notes (:cry).

– James

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