Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
original posting?
On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
original posting?
This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list
and newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into
this?
James Edward G. II
James Edward G. II ha scritto:
On Jul 30, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
Why do I sometimes see replies to posts in this group but not the
original posting?This could be an issue with the gateway script between mailing list and
newsgroup. Can you post me to example replies so I can look into this?James Edward G. II
I just noticed this too, for example I can read ruby-talk:204879 (
message-id: [email protected] )
but not the message it was replying to (In-reply-to:
[email protected]).
I’m on the nntp side of the gw.
James Edward G. II wrote:
If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the
replies by Robert D. are Not being posted but you can see the quoted
material in subsequent replies by others.
On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:35 PM, gabriele renzi wrote:
I just noticed this too, for example I can read ruby-talk:204879 (
message-id: [email protected] )
but not the message it was replying to (In-reply-to:
[email protected]).
OK, just so I’m clear, you do see this message:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/204879
but you do not see this one:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/203921
I’m on the nntp side of the gw.
I’m on the mailing list and as you can see from the links above it
did seem to receive both. Let me check the newsgroup…
Hmmm, Google G. does show both messages:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/0259073f7774cd0d
and:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
Am I missing something here?
James Edward G. II
Michael W. Ryder wrote:
James Edward G. II
If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears the
replies by Robert D. are Not being posted but you can see the quoted
material in subsequent replies by others.
Part of the reason I asked this question is that I see posts that I
assume are replying to other posts that do not include any quoted
material which really makes it hard to follow.
On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward G. II wrote:
If you look at the Challenge thread in the newsgroup it appears
the replies by Robert D. are Not being posted but you can see
the quoted material in subsequent replies by others.You’re telling me that you are missing these two messages, right?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
I screwed up those links. I meant:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202655
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202680
Sorry for the confusion.
James Edward G. II
On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Michael W. Ryder wrote:
quoted material in subsequent replies by others.
You’re telling me that you are missing these two messages, right?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/350edcc44c92f04e
Hmm, yes. I can’t find either of those on Google G… You use
the newsgroup, not the mailing list, right?
Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn…
James Edward G. II
On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:46 PM, James Edward G. II wrote:
Let me look into these two messages and see what I can learn…
I looked into this but lacked the log information I needed to track
down what really happened with these. I’ve added more logging to the
gateway that I hope would help me zero in on the problem, should it
happen again.
Please keep an eye out for these mysterious missing messages in the
future and sick me on them when they occur. I will then look into
those messages, cross check the logs, and see if I can eliminate
whatever issue is eating messages.
Thank you.
James Edward G. II
Le 31 juillet 2006 à 22:56, James Edward G. II a écrit :
I screwed up those links. I meant:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202655
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/202680
------=_Part_81117_24403003.1153300936075
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
And
------=_Part_82136_1234888.1153309282756
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
HTML posts, probably.
Bingo :
Jul 19 11:22:46 talisker nnrpd[24018]: bristol.highgroove.com post
failed 437 HTML post
Jul 19 13:41:53 talisker nnrpd[39409]: bristol.highgroove.com post
failed 437 HTML post
(Based on the posting date - I’m in GMT+2 right now.)
Now, I could disable the filter, but the posts might not go far on
usenet anyway, I’m afraid.
Fred
James Edward G. II wrote:
messages, cross check the logs, and see if I can eliminate whatever
issue is eating messages.Thank you.
James Edward G. II
It seems to be a problem with the postings with certain users. If one
message is missing from a poster they all are.
On Jul 31, 2006, at 6:30 PM, F. Senault wrote:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
usenet anyway, I’m afraid.
Excellent catch Fred!
I’m open to any suggestions for how we could improve this… Perhaps
we need a Ruby Q. to textify HTML messages. 
James Edward G. II
James Edward G. II [email protected] writes:
I’m open to any suggestions for how we could improve this… Perhaps
we need a Ruby Q. to textify HTML messages.
No, just make the ruby-talk list reject HTML messages as soon as
possible.
Le 1 août 2006 à 02:18, James Edward G. II a écrit :
On Jul 31, 2006, at 6:30 PM, F. Senault wrote:
Now, I could disable the filter, but the posts might not go far on
usenet anyway, I’m afraid.Excellent catch Fred!
I’m open to any suggestions for how we could improve this… Perhaps
we need a Ruby Q. to textify HTML messages.
Heh. I had to do it for a small project of mine [1] and I used the
brute force unixy approach - pipe everything into a program much better
at it than I :
/usr/local/bin/links -dump -force-html
-html-assume-codepage iso8859-15
-codepage iso8859-15 -width 76
Now, I suspect those messages are multipart (/alternative) messages, so
we nearly always gave a text part. It should be possible with the
rubymail project, or with a custom MIME parser.
I’ve already done it in perl, I’ll take a look at the portability of the
code. I expect it top be quite low, though… :}
Fred
[1] http://news.lacave.net/rss/ - main page in French, but most parts
are in English… or in ruby… 
Christian N. wrote:
James Edward G. II [email protected] writes:
I’m open to any suggestions for how we could improve this… Perhaps
we need a Ruby Q. to textify HTML messages.No, just make the ruby-talk list reject HTML messages as soon as
possible.
…i know this is a little off topic…but i went to ruby-forum.com to
SEARCH this list and could not…the error was the search has been
disabled due to a technical problem…what gives???
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:40, Dave R. wrote:
…i know this is a little off topic…but i went to ruby-forum.com to
SEARCH this list and could not…the error was the search has been
disabled due to a technical problem…what gives???
The best way to search the list archives is either through searching
comp.lang.ruby on http://groups.google.com or to search using Namazu at
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtml
Alex
On Aug 1, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Rob S. wrote:
Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface.
Wow, I don’t think I have ever seen the words “Gmane” and “decent” in
the same sentence before.
James Edward G. II
On 8/1/06, A. S. Bradbury [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:40, Dave R. wrote:
…i know this is a little off topic…but i went to ruby-forum.com to
SEARCH this list and could not…the error was the search has been
disabled due to a technical problem…what gives???The best way to search the list archives is either through searching
comp.lang.ruby on http://groups.google.com or to search using Namazu at
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/ruby/ruby-talk/index.shtmlAlex
Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface. The interface at
Namazu is horrible - I don’t think I’ve ever remembered what button
does what until clicking on a few blindly. Not to mention they all
are about 2px by 2px.
- Rob
On 8/1/06, James Edward G. II [email protected] wrote:
On Aug 1, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Rob S. wrote:
Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface.
Wow, I don’t think I have ever seen the words “Gmane” and “decent” in
the same sentence before.James Edward G. II
Compared to one at http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/, its definitely
“decent”. =)
- rob
Rob S. wrote:
Alex
Or use Gmane, which has a decent web interface. The interface at
Namazu is horrible - I don’t think I’ve ever remembered what button
does what until clicking on a few blindly. Not to mention they all
are about 2px by 2px.
- Rob
Hovering over them tells you what they do
-Justin