Problem with internationalization

I have I18n working.

I translated my en.yml file to German (de.yml) and hae set DE as the
default language in environment.rb.

Everything is almost working.

My problem is that I am getting this
�
char … instead of this
ä
on the screen displays.

I have set

and also tried and neither produce the right result.

Any suggestions?

Have you checked your text editor encoding? Maybe it’s silly to ask
about that, but some IDEs like NetBeans ocassionaly have small
problems with correct encoding :slight_smile:

Paweł K wrote:

Have you checked your text editor encoding? Maybe it’s silly to ask
about that, but some IDEs like NetBeans ocassionaly have small
problems with correct encoding :slight_smile:

As far as I know, the encoding is correct. All the text editors I am
using (V-Slick, Textmate, Notepad) seem to see the same proper things.

On Feb 15, 7:40 am, Ralph S. [email protected] wrote:

ä
on the screen displays.

I have set

and also tried and neither produce the right result.

Any suggestions?

What is actually in the output - utf8 or iso latin 1 (ie look at the
generated html with a hex editor) ?

Fred

What is actually in the output - utf8 or iso latin 1 (ie look at the
generated html with a hex editor) ?

Fred

I believe it to be iso-8859-1.

I viewed the page source and saved it to disk. I hope the relevant
sections are


(From the program WinHex which examined the page source

Offset 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F

00000DE0 66 69 72 6D 61 74 69 6F 6E 22 3E 4B 65 6E 6E 77
firmation">Kennw
00000DF0 6F 72 74 62 65 73 74 E4 74 69 67 75 6E 67 2A 3C
ortbestätigung*<
00000E00 2F


(From the screen)

Kennwortbest�tigung*

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      <!-- Footnotes Style -->
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      #footnotes_debug {margin: 2em 0 1em 0; text-align: center; 

color: #444; line-height: 16px;}
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line-height: 18px;}
#footnotes_debug a {text-decoration: none; color: #444;
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#footnotes_debug table td {padding: 0 5px;}
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#footnotes_debug legend {background-color: #FFF;}
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th{border:1px solid #A00; padding:0 3px; text-align:center;}
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{color:#A00;}
#queries_debug_info p {background-color:#F3F3FF; border:1px solid
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I have run Mongrel and Webrick and I get the same results.

I Have run Firefox and IE … almost the same results

What’s the magic formula for getting the rendering engine to think that
the page source is iso-8859-1?

Once I get that done then I will want to know how to get Ruby/Rails to
generate UTF-8 and/or Unicode.

Yes, that seems to be Latin-1. Why are you using Latin-1 and not
UTF-{8|16} in the first place? They are supersets of Latin-1.

I am aware of this, Marnen.

What I don’t know is how to get Ruby/Rails to generate UTF-8 and/or
Unicode.

You’ve got a number of problems here due to poor development decisions.

OK … that sounds like the problem … I think.

  • But you shouldn’t be generating XHTML anyway. Browser support for
    XHTML is extremely problematic. See http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml for
    further information. Use HTML 4 or 5 instead. If you use HTML 4, make
    sure to install the html_output plugin so that Rails will not use the
    XML-style syntax, which is not valid in HTML 4.

Ok … which do you recommend … 4 or 5?

  • But even with HTML 4, I confess I don’t see a single reason not to use
    UTF-8 on your pages. It will handle any character you throw at it, so
    you don’t need to use different encodings for different languages.

I have run Mongrel and Webrick and I get the same results.

I Have run Firefox and IE … almost the same results

What’s the magic formula for getting the rendering engine to think that
the page source is iso-8859-1?

Once I get that done then I will want to know how to get Ruby/Rails to
generate UTF-8 and/or Unicode.

Don’t waste your time with Latin-1. Go straight to UTF-8. It will be
easier and more versatile.

OK … so how to I get Ruby/Rails to generate UTF-8?

Ralph S. wrote:

What is actually in the output - utf8 or iso latin 1 (ie look at the
generated html with a hex editor) ?

Fred

I believe it to be iso-8859-1.

I viewed the page source and saved it to disk. I hope the relevant
sections are


(From the program WinHex which examined the page source

Offset 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F

00000DE0 66 69 72 6D 61 74 69 6F 6E 22 3E 4B 65 6E 6E 77
firmation">Kennw
00000DF0 6F 72 74 62 65 73 74 E4 74 69 67 75 6E 67 2A 3C
ortbestätigung*<
00000E00 2F


(From the screen)

Kennwortbest�tigung*

Yes, that seems to be Latin-1. Why are you using Latin-1 and not
UTF-{8|16} in the first place? They are supersets of Latin-1.

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You’ve got a number of problems here due to poor development decisions.

  • You’ve declared your document as XHTML, but not used an <?xml ?>
    prolog. Therefore, it will be interpreted as UTF-8 as described at
    http://www.w3.org/International/O-charset .

  • But you shouldn’t be generating XHTML anyway. Browser support for
    XHTML is extremely problematic. See http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml for
    further information. Use HTML 4 or 5 instead. If you use HTML 4, make
    sure to install the html_output plugin so that Rails will not use the
    XML-style syntax, which is not valid in HTML 4.

  • But even with HTML 4, I confess I don’t see a single reason not to use
    UTF-8 on your pages. It will handle any character you throw at it, so
    you don’t need to use different encodings for different languages.


I have run Mongrel and Webrick and I get the same results.

I Have run Firefox and IE … almost the same results

What’s the magic formula for getting the rendering engine to think that
the page source is iso-8859-1?

Once I get that done then I will want to know how to get Ruby/Rails to
generate UTF-8 and/or Unicode.

Don’t waste your time with Latin-1. Go straight to UTF-8. It will be
easier and more versatile.

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

I tried to read through the thread but didn’t actually find an answer…
Isn’t the solution to make sure that en.yml is UTF-8 encoded, ie it in
UTF-8?

–Lasse

2010/2/15 Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]

Ralph S. wrote:

Yes, that seems to be Latin-1. Why are you using Latin-1 and not
UTF-{8|16} in the first place? They are supersets of Latin-1.

I am aware of this, Marnen.

What I don’t know is how to get Ruby/Rails to generate UTF-8 and/or
Unicode.

Why do you think you need to do something special here? Rails doesn’t
“generate” text, for the most part; it just manipulates and hands back
what you give it.

In other words:

  1. Given the ASCII string “Ralph S.”, how would you have Rails
    print “Ralph S.”? (Hint:you should already know the answer to
    this.)

  2. Given the UTF-8 string “ラルフ・シュネルヴァー”, how would you have Rails print
    “ラルフ・シュネルヴァー”? (Hint: the answer is the same as for #1.)

Of course, you need to set the proper encoding headers in your HTML, and
you need to have your DB encoding be UTF-8, but those are external to
Rails.

[…]

OK … that sounds like the problem … I think.

I believe that’s the immediate problem, yes.

  • But you shouldn’t be generating XHTML anyway. Browser support for
    XHTML is extremely problematic. See http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml for
    further information. Use HTML 4 or 5 instead. If you use HTML 4, make
    sure to install the html_output plugin so that Rails will not use the
    XML-style syntax, which is not valid in HTML 4.

Ok … which do you recommend … 4 or 5?

I’ve been using HTML 4. I don’t know how well HTML 5 is supported by
browsers currently in use, but that’s because I haven’t done the
research yet. I’m sure others know more than I do on this point.

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

On 15 Feb 2010, at 21:32, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

I tried to read through the thread but didn’t actually find an
answer…
Isn’t the solution to make sure that en.yml is UTF-8 encoded, ie it
in
UTF-8?

That’s part of the solution, yes – this is another case of Rails
simply
processing the text you give it. Sorry; I should have been a bit
clearer about that.

Most of us use UTF-8 defaulting text editors to start with, it escapes
use anyone would be using a Windows text editor from the eighties :slight_smile:

Best regards

Peter De Berdt

Lasse B. wrote:

I tried to read through the thread but didn’t actually find an answer…
Isn’t the solution to make sure that en.yml is UTF-8 encoded, ie it in
UTF-8?

That’s part of the solution, yes – this is another case of Rails simply
processing the text you give it. Sorry; I should have been a bit
clearer about that.

–Lasse

2010/2/15 Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

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