OT: iBook or MacBook Pro?


#1

Well, the worm has turned and I think I may actually get an Apple ;P.
But I can’t decide which one. Pros and cons:

14" iBook:

  • modem (for when broadband kicks out, or on the road and there’s no
    WIFI)
  • screen is probably big enough (though I currently have a 15" Dell)
  • doesn’t get as hot as the MacBook
  • almost half the cost
  • less likely to get stolen
  • 1/4 to 1/5 as fast (in theory)
  • no isight (not a big deal)
  • older model - not as in the future :wink:

15.x" MacBook Pro

  • Over 4-5x faster (though I’ve read reviews that say Apple’s claim is
    exaggerated)
  • remote
  • isight
  • screen has more resolution
  • gets hot
  • kinda wide for a laptop
  • lacks s-video (but adapter is available)
  • no modem (but usb modem is available)
  • superdrive is only 4x (rather than 8x)
  • almost twice as expensive
  • Apple’s latest and greatest
  • software that isn’t Universal or just doesn’t work on the new Intel
    platform
  • Firewire 400 instead of 800
  • Applecare is $100 more
  • more likely to get stolen

Despite my listing more negatives for the MacBook Pro, I’m still on the
fence - price is probably the single biggest factor, followed by the
“bells and whistles” factor.

These are reviews I’ve read:


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html?ex=1144040400&en=de1e4bebfc43dd98&ei=5070

Also, would you buy from Apple’s online store (any tax savings?), one of
their physical stores, buy refurbished, or buy used from a third party
(I heard Applecare transfers to new owners)?

Thanks for any opinions!

Joe


#2

What about a used iBook until the second round of Mac’s intel laptops
and Adobe CS is available for the intel machines? I have an iBook and
am going to wait to switch.


#3

Peter M. wrote:

What about a used iBook until the second round of Mac’s intel laptops
and Adobe CS is available for the intel machines? I have an iBook and
am going to wait to switch.

Any idea what the second round Intel laptops will be like? And when?

Also, where’s a good place to get a used iBook: eBay, classifieds,
Craigslist, …?

Joe


#4

You can currently get great deals on refurbished Power Books on Apples
site
if price is an issue and you want something a little more then an iBook.

Josh


#5

I have a 12" Powerbook 1.33ghz and my business partner has the new
MacBook. The difference between the two is night and day. I have been
looking to sell my 12" just to upgrade. It’s worth the extra, IMHO.
Stuff like Photoshop is deathly slow, but anything that has been
optimized, is unbelievably quick.


Adam Lindsay
removed_email_address@domain.invalid


#6

“joe” == joe removed_email_address@domain.invalid writes:

Well, the worm has turned and I think I may actually get an Apple ;P.
But I can’t decide which one. Pros and cons:

14" iBook:

You have noticed that the 14" and 12" iBook shave the same display
resolution, I hope? You don’t get more pixels with the 14" one, just a
physically larger machine.

Is there any solid information on the MacBook’s battery life yet, by
the way? One of the things I really like about my iBook is that I
can get 6.5 hours of battery use out of it.

	     Calle D. <removed_email_address@domain.invalid>
	 http://www.livejournal.com/users/cdybedahl/
         Try again. Try harder. -*-  Fail again. Fail better.

#7

Yeah, I thought about that. But a (currently not listed) refurbished
MacBook Pro is only $150 more than a mid-range refurbished PowerBook.
Probably worth spending the extra $150 in that case ;).

Joe


#8

OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your
iBooks/PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too? Which do
you
use more?

Brian


#9

iBook:
MacBook Pro:
Despite my listing more negatives for the MacBook Pro, I’m still on the
fence - price is probably the single biggest factor

check out the barebones versions of MSI’s s262/271. CoreDuo/Turion-X2
respectively, highest macbook model performance for lowest ibook price
(hows this? no apple markup - you buy all your parts from newegg). plus
metal instead of plastic case, an incredibly useful row of
pageup/down/home/end keys along the right edge, 2 mouse buttons… i was
a Apple user since my grandparents purchased a IIgs for me and my
brother in the late 80s but theyve all been phased out in favor of
gentoo-amd64 systems MSI (portable) and Shuttle (desktop)… getting
everything for half the price of Apple and being able to configure
everything the way I want, not the way some dictator in Cupertino
decides is a welcome change…cheers


#10

On 4/1/06, Brian B. removed_email_address@domain.invalid wrote:

OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your
iBooks/PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too?

I only have an iBook.


#11

On 1-apr-2006, at 14:06, Brian B. wrote:

OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your iBooks/
PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too? Which do you
use more?

I had an old Titanium but now moved most of the work onto a G5 Quad.
I think I will be using the desktop more although a laptop would
suffice if I didn’t have to do more than Rails development


#12

Yeah, I was just looking at screen resolutions. 1024x768 seems small to
me. On my Dell 15" I have it maxed out at 1600x1200. Neither the MBP
(1440 x 900) nor the PB (1280x854) can match that.

The reviews I’ve seen show MBP battery life at about 3.25 hours.

Joe


#13

On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Calle D. wrote:

Is there any solid information on the MacBook’s battery life yet, by
the way? One of the things I really like about my iBook is that I
can get 6.5 hours of battery use out of it.

My MBP, now about a month old, gets slightly better battery life than my
older 15" PowerBook – about 3 - 3.5 hours – and that’s without turning
down the brightness all the way, etc. The batteries are really thin,
making carrying a second one easy.

The real test will be at WWDC, where everyone tries to keep their
notebooks alive for 9 hours a day, all week long.

–Jim


#14

Brian B. wrote:

OT: Do you guys do all your Rails development right on your
iBooks/PowerBooks/MacBooks or do you have desktop Macs too? Which do
you
use more?

Brian

FWIW, I do all my development (including Rails) on a 12" Powerbook right
now. The low screen resolution (1024 x 768) isn’t that big a deal. I
just swap between the terminal, Textmate, and a web browser using
Exposé. Works pretty well.


#15

On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Joe wrote:

Yeah, I was just looking at screen resolutions. 1024x768 seems small to
me. On my Dell 15" I have it maxed out at 1600x1200. Neither the MBP
(1440 x 900) nor the PB (1280x854) can match that.

Honestly, having used PC notebooks with such ludicrous resolutions, I
don’t see the appeal of needing to squint to read anything. I jokingly
considered adding a frensel lens on a stick in front of the screen, a la
Brazil.

Most people I’ve seen with these notebooks invariably end up using
larger
font sizes in their editors, or for the system, or docking the notebook
all the time with a more regular sized screen.

–Jim


#16

I do the exact same, except I use “Desktop Manager” to get 3 virtual
screens.


#17

On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Adam Lindsay wrote:

I do the exact same, except I use “Desktop Manager” to get 3 virtual screens.

Check out “Virtue,” now back in development under a new maintainer.
Universal, even!

http://virtuedesktops.sourceforge.net

–Jim


#18

Jim Zajkowski wrote:

On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Joe wrote:

Yeah, I was just looking at screen resolutions. 1024x768 seems small to
me. On my Dell 15" I have it maxed out at 1600x1200. Neither the MBP
(1440 x 900) nor the PB (1280x854) can match that.

Honestly, having used PC notebooks with such ludicrous resolutions, I
don’t see the appeal of needing to squint to read anything. I jokingly
considered adding a frensel lens on a stick in front of the screen, a la
Brazil.

Most people I’ve seen with these notebooks invariably end up using
larger
font sizes in their editors, or for the system, or docking the notebook
all the time with a more regular sized screen.

I don’t squint nor use larger fonts (what’s wrong with changing font
sizes anyhow?). 1600x1200 is hardly “ludicrous” - you can fit lots more
stuff on screen. My 20" monitor is set to an even higher resolution -
love it.

Joe


#19

carmen wrote:

check out the barebones versions of MSI’s s262/271. CoreDuo/Turion-X2
respectively, highest macbook model performance for lowest ibook price
(hows this? no apple markup - you buy all your parts from newegg). plus
metal instead of plastic case, an incredibly useful row of
pageup/down/home/end keys along the right edge, 2 mouse buttons… i was
a Apple user since my grandparents purchased a IIgs for me and my
brother in the late 80s but theyve all been phased out in favor of
gentoo-amd64 systems MSI (portable) and Shuttle (desktop)… getting
everything for half the price of Apple and being able to configure
everything the way I want, not the way some dictator in Cupertino
decides is a welcome change…cheers

12" screens? No thanks. Desktop Linux? No thanks again.

Joe