OT: finding a designer (bit of a rant)

I’ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a
stylesheet
to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that?

It’s a small project, they’d have to do the main design/layout, and then
a
little custom styling for some specific elements which don’t appear on
every
page. That’s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere
throughout your site.

So I advertised on craigslist, and in a few web design forums (in the
jobs
section). I’ve had easily 100 replies (mostly craigslist), here’s my
breakdown:

80 offshore sweatshops, who would be delighted to butcher my site with
table
based, flash ridden “eye catching” designs
5 front page/dreamweaver users who would be equally delighted to charge
me
for pressing a few buttons
5 developers who dont even mention design, xhtml or css in their email
but
who still want to work for me
4 developers who genuinely get css/accessibility but who are clearly
developers and not designers. To say their sites look bland is an
understatement
3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never
afford
2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don’t have
a
portfolio
1 nigerian scammer

so what’s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I
can’t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board
(the
project is non-profit)

If thats the case have you tried one Aussie xHTML / CSS Userinterface
designer, living in the UK, looking for some small projects? A designer
who knows ruby on rails? Who is realtively cheap?

I could be your man!

Cheers Leevi G.

[email protected]
www.leevigraham.com (wordpress blog)
typo.leevigraham.com (typo blog themed with typo garden award winning
theme Origami)

i could need such a man, too, but i dont have any money to spend…
thats
even harder!

2006/8/16, Alan B. [email protected]:

who still want to work for me
project is non-profit)


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Michael S. [email protected]

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heheh do what I did!! Find a great designer and marry her :slight_smile:

On 8/16/06, Alan B. [email protected] wrote:

I’ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet
to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that?

It’s a small project, they’d have to do the main design/layout, and then a
little custom styling for some specific elements which don’t appear on every
page. That’s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere
throughout your site.

snip

so what’s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I
can’t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the
project is non-profit)

You may be able to to find a suitable layout/design at
http://www.oswd.org/.

Isak

Alan B. wrote:

3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never
afford

Well, it is a classic to say “I know what I want” and to equally say it
is overpriced. Since when is turing an idea into reality cheap? Good
design is so accessible today to small firms and non-profits because of
the low cost of tools and ease of collaboration over the internet.
Still, it doesn’t cost next-to-nothing.

Either buy a template and put together out what is missing, & what needs
to change.
(Betty Crocker cake mix)

or

Hire the right craftsman with the right tools.
(Bakery)

Timothy J.
www.foundinteractive.com

Why can’t you just do the design yourself ?
Check out the CSS - Discuss wiki. incutio something or other is the
url address.
There are also two sites that offer up open source css web templates.
A number of sites exist with things like layout calculators and other
tutorials for fancier things like drop boxes, css menus, etc.

Stuart

http://www.sixshootermedia.com/free-templates/

some really nice ones for free

enjoy

On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 14:07 +0100, Alan B. wrote:

breakdown:
3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford
2 designers who say they have all the relevant experience but don’t have a
portfolio
1 nigerian scammer

so what’s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I
can’t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the
project is non-profit)


I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said “originality is the art of
concealing your sources”

In other words…find a web site you like, copy the colors/design,
download their css file and conceal your sources.

Craig

Or use open source web design (http://www.oswd.org/) and give a link
to a designer who needs a reference.

Bill

I’ve written my app already. It outputs valid xhtml and I need a stylesheet
to drop over the top. How hard is it for people to understand that?

It’s a small project, they’d have to do the main design/layout, and then a
little custom styling for some specific elements which don’t appear on every
page. That’s the point of CSS right? write once, use (almost) anywhere
throughout your site.

so what’s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year old to do? I
can’t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a dedicated jobs board (the
project is non-profit)

Get in touch with your local art institute, community college, four year
college, high school, etc and talk to some one in the graphic design
department. Good chance their students need projects to do to graduate
and/or need “work experience”. And good chance they might do it for
free
(or for trade or something) just to get it on their resume…

-philip

On Wednesday 16 August 2006 14:07, Alan B. wrote:

breakdown:
3 design firms who offer everything I want, at a price I can never afford


Rails mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.rubyonrails.org/mailman/listinfo/rails
give http://programmermeetdesigner.com/ a shot

Also good - http://www.openwebdesign.org/.

c.

Pete W. wrote:

i could need such a man, too, but i dont have any money to spend…
thats even harder!

heheh do what I did!! Find a great designer and marry her :slight_smile:

That sounds even more expensive.


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so what’s a developer with the creative ability of a 3 year
old to do? I can’t justify paying hundreds to advertise on a
dedicated jobs board (the project is non-profit)

I think one response was really great: have the designer send you image
comps and the hex numbers for the colors and you code-up the markup and
CSS. It’s very pragmatic, no?

I would like to add two other, hopefully helpful, suggestions:

  1. Barter for services – if I had the time, I’d gladly exchange some
    visual design work for a personal tutorial or two on RoR or something
    like that. Perhaps there’s a designer who needs help setting-up a blog
    and you can install and configure Typo for them?

  2. Check out the communities that standards-savvy designers frequent:
    alistapart.com comes immediately to mind;
    – perhaps post a question on the webdesign-l listserv;
    – check out csszengarden.com, note the designers that you like and
    contact them or visit their web pages… You might find someone who’s
    willing to help for little cost

And at the risk of getting too high up on my
artsy-fartsy-designers-horse, for all but the most trivial of web apps,
if you care about usability; if you care about presenting a well
thought-out, elegant web application, do not “just” borrow someone else
CSS files; or slap together some CSS-widgets onto a pre-made template.
Web design is not just a pretty eye-candy layer over a bunch of code.

The design of Basecamp, for example, is a very well-thought out design
and not someone’s whim of colors and CSS-wizardry.

</designer’s rant>

:slight_smile:

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