Og standalone experience - whew - so good... but hard to get anywhere as a newbie

I’m just starting with Og. I love the way it’s put together and the way
it
feels to work with it and I think I’ll be able to do great things with
it.

Congatulations to all concerned.

class Book
property :author, String
end

Makes the database, table and makes sure it’s all up to date! Are you
kidding? This is SO easy. So good.

I have comments which I hope can be helpful in showing what I
encountered.
Sensitive to how these posts can sound I’d like to emphasize that my
intention is not to whine, but to point out how hard it is for newbies
to
get a purchase in here. I’d also like to help if I can.

  1. There are a lot of dead ends that a newbie encounters when trying to
    understand Og. There’s the beautiful http://www.nitroproject.org/ with
    documentation with version 0.42 (but the version number is very hard to
    find). The online repository seems to have not been altered since June
  1. When I try to add a note to the Fora (prior to which I was
    required
    to get an OpenId) I find that having composed a post, the post button is
    ignored (Firefox / Windows). A few words on the front page describing
    where
    things are would be so golden. Sometimes just a sentence or two of
    accurate
    status can be so helpful.
  1. When I do a gem install og I seem to get Og 0.41, yet I see mentions
    of
    0.50. What is the latest release? When is 0.50 going to be released.
    I
    worry when I see so much heavy lifting and refactoring going on in the
    codebase that 0.50 is not going to be for a while. This means that I
    don’t
    know what to concentrate on 0.4x or 0.5.

  2. The most active forum seems to be this one
    (http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general) but I can’t see
    how to
    search it! This makes a lot of the knowledge tied up in it
    inaccessible.

  3. Finding a few paragraphs that describe and give examples of
    polymorphism
    and schema_inheritance is quite a challenge. Having looked around a
    little
    I have gleaned snippets from tests. Could someone consolidate these and
    put
    them into the source code so RDoc at least can find them?

  4. I grabbed the latest version from the darc’s repository, since people
    were saying “Don’t use the 0.4x, use the latest”. This was tricky
    itself…
    but that’s another story. But I found that SchemaInhertance doesn’t
    seem to
    work. (Og::SchemaInheritanceBase is missing?). And I can’t find any
    test
    files to see how I should use polymorphism.

  5. I installed the latest version via gem. I made the gems myself
    according
    to the instructions I found. But this was tricky since a) the rake
    script
    seems to assume a unix-y shell and so didn’t work too well and b) once I
    was
    doing it on a Linux box the code to transfer the .gemspec’s into the
    dist
    directory didn’t seem to work.

If any of this can be delegated to me with guidance please give it a
shot.

I think my main hope in this is to get someone - George maybe - to write
a
short paragraph that can be put around (on rubyforge and nitroproject)
saying "Hi! The team and I working on stuff like crazy. Here’s where
we’re
at. If you just want to play use 0.4x - be aware that ___ and ___ have
been
massively re-written also don’t worry about the startup speed, that’s
been
fixed too. If really need the new features, you’ll need to pull from the
repo, however, be aware that ___ and ______ are not working right now.


will be fixed tomorrow, but _____ doesn’t look too close at all. If you
want to contribute or discuss, use ____ forum, since we don’t look at
the
others too much. My timeframe for a general release for Nitro and Og
V0.50
is _____." Or something. This would have made my entry into Og much
more
easy!

Thanks and sorry for the long post.

David W. wrote:

  1. When I do a gem install og I seem to get Og 0.41, yet I see mentions of
    0.50. What is the latest release? When is 0.50 going to be released. I
    worry when I see so much heavy lifting and refactoring going on in the
    codebase that 0.50 is not going to be for a while. This means that I don’t
    know what to concentrate on 0.4x or 0.5.

3 & 4 ? :wink:

“0.50” is in the darcs repository. George and I are working on a
release as we speak. WE will also be updatin ghte website soon. Stay
tuned…

  1. The most active forum seems to be this one
    (http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/nitro-general) but I can’t see how to
    search it! This makes a lot of the knowledge tied up in it inaccessible.

http://groups.google.com/group/nitro-general?hl=en

Your welcome :slight_smile:

  1. Finding a few paragraphs that describe and give examples of polymorphism
    and schema_inheritance is quite a challenge. Having looked around a little
    I have gleaned snippets from tests. Could someone consolidate these and put
    them into the source code so RDoc at least can find them?

  2. I grabbed the latest version from the darc’s repository, since people
    were saying “Don’t use the 0.4x, use the latest”. This was tricky itself…

Ah, you found it.

If any of this can be delegated to me with guidance please give it a shot.
others too much. My timeframe for a general release for Nitro and Og V0.50
is _____." Or something. This would have made my entry into Og much more
easy!

Well, I hope half the paragraph won’t even be necessary here in a
couple weeks.

I think once George and I have straightened out 0.50, then we’ll be
able to get a better fix on how to create a larger community effort.
So hold tight just a bit longer. I just got Nitro running on Facets
2.0 (mostly) so that’s a good sign.

T.

I think that, at long last, the rough edges that have stymied me will be
worked out within the next few weeks. We’re probably a couple weeks
away from seeing an official 0.50.

However, Until George and Tom produce the true kick-ass documentation
and examples, the source itself is rich in comments and examples. I
haven’t looked through the Og inheritance examples in the specs, but I
have seen the examples in og/examples/run.rb ( ArticleComment < Comment
)

As an aside, there’s a ton of great examples for using Og with forms in
the Admin part code, especially:

  • OgAdminController#save ( nitro/lib/nitro/part/admin/og/controller.rb
    )
  • nitro/lib/nitro/part/admin/og/template/update.htmlx

One great thing is that the whole codebase is relatively small – making
it a lot easier to use as “documentation” than something really huge
like Rails.

No substitute for docs, I know… but for the next couple of weeks it
might tide you over…

I think it’d be great if you could ask lots of questions on this list.
Watching newbies, myself included, try to figure out how to use Nitro
and Og will probably be helpful to whoever’s writing tutorials and
cheatsheets.

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