Netbeans dumps Rails

Great…

http://netbeans.org/community/news/show/1507.html

…so now to find another editor/environment that integrates debugging
:frowning:

(although no huge rush, as Netbeans6.9 isn’t going to stop working
…)

Messed up on their part.

On 27 January 2011 16:25, Fred B. [email protected] wrote:

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Michael P. [email protected] wrote:

http://netbeans.org/community/news/show/1507.html

Messed up on their part.

I can see their point - there’s a lot of competition for a small
market, and they want to focus on their core priorities… but still,
they were (are) the best of the free IDEs.

Might have to bite the bullet and buy something!

You don’t have to :slight_smile:

Just use Rails.vim!

On 27 January 2011 16:29, Michael P. [email protected] wrote:

Might have to bite the bullet and buy something!

I have tried the demo of RubyMine and loved it but couldn’t justify
spending money on it (not programming for profit, just for fun), until
now.
Although as th OP pointed out - 6.9 isn’t gonna stop working anytime
soon.

Michael P. wrote in post #977908:

Great…

http://netbeans.org/community/news/show/1507.html

…so now to find another editor/environment that integrates debugging
:frowning:

(although no huge rush, as Netbeans6.9 isn’t going to stop working
…)

You have no idea how happy I am to hear this. I think NetBeans is a
great IDE, but 100% inappropriate for Rails. Maybe now that official
support is discontinued, Rails developers will see the light and stop
making life hard for themselves by using NetBeans.

Also note that they don’t seem to be dropping Ruby support, which also
makes me happy.

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

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On 27 January 2011 16:39, David C. [email protected] wrote:

You don’t have to :slight_smile:

Just use Rails.vim!

Does it have (or can it be configured with) debugging breakpoint
debugging? 'Fraid that’s a show-stopping requirement for me (to avoid
going greyer sooner)

Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the
cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.

On 27 January 2011 18:00, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:

You have no idea how happy I am to hear this.

When I was reading the announcement, I couldn’t help thinking
“Marnen’s gonna be grinning!” :slight_smile:

On 27 January 2011 18:31, Michael P. [email protected] wrote:

Does it have (or can it be configured with) debugging breakpoint
debugging?

… it’s so important, I said it twice! :-/

Michael P. wrote in post #977932:

On 27 January 2011 16:39, David C. [email protected] wrote:

You don’t have to :slight_smile:

Just use Rails.vim!

Does it have (or can it be configured with) debugging breakpoint
debugging? 'Fraid that’s a show-stopping requirement for me (to avoid
going greyer sooner)

Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the
cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.

Save your money. Try KomodoEdit with the Ruby and Haml plugins.

On 27 January 2011 18:00, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:

You have no idea how happy I am to hear this.

When I was reading the announcement, I couldn’t help thinking
“Marnen’s gonna be grinning!” :slight_smile:

Mostly. I like choices, and I like IDEs, but I wish people would stop
trying to use conventional IDEs for Rails. There’s really no benefit,
and there are lots of disadvantages.

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

Michael P. wrote in post #977932:

On 27 January 2011 16:39, David C. [email protected] wrote:

You don’t have to :slight_smile:

Just use Rails.vim!

Does it have (or can it be configured with) debugging breakpoint
debugging? 'Fraid that’s a show-stopping requirement for me (to avoid
going greyer sooner)

Why is that a showstopper? Just type “debugger” in the right place in
the code and go.

(I like IDE debugger integration, but RDB is easy enough to use from the
command line that I don’t really miss seeing it in the editor.)

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

On 27 January 2011 19:37, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:

Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the
cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.

Save your money. Try KomodoEdit with the Ruby and Haml plugins.

Save money?
https://store.activestate.com/komodo-ide

$295 for a single license with no upgrades or support…

On 27 January 2011 19:39, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:

Why is that a showstopper?

because I want it.

I can code without a debugger integrated (or indeed, at all) - but I
don’t want to.

On Thursday, January 27, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

Mostly. I like choices, and I like IDEs, but I wish people would stop
trying to use conventional IDEs for Rails. There’s really no benefit,
and there are lots of disadvantages.

Why? Let people use whatever they like.

And how can be no benefit, you know the ton of Rails knowledge an IDE
like RubyMine brings on the table?

When I need to do a session of work on a particular Rails application I
use RubyMine. I’ve been a heavy emacs user for some years, I have used
TextMate as everybody else, but with RubyMine my productivity is clearly
better. My productivity, not necessarily your productivity.

People should remember IDEs are not for running rake task with wizards,
I still have the style of working with the editor and switching to the
console all the time. But RubyMine has a lot of knowledge about Ruby on
Rails. My combo of choice is console + heavy-aware editor for Rails. And
heavy-aware out of the box, not after these dozen plugins and these many
configuration lines that give you half the experience.

I have no relationship with JetBrains, and respect the choice of TM,
Vim, Emacs or whatever people choose for working.

Michael P. wrote in post #977960:

On 27 January 2011 19:37, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:

Looking at the options, I think I may try RubyMine, and weigh-up the
cost/benefit over using a syntax-highlighting text editor.

Save your money. Try KomodoEdit with the Ruby and Haml plugins.

Save money?
https://store.activestate.com/komodo-ide

$295 for a single license with no upgrades or support…

Komodo IDE is $295. KomodoEdit (which I am recommending) is free.

On 27 January 2011 19:39, Marnen Laibow-Koser [email protected]
wrote:

Why is that a showstopper?

because I want it.

I can code without a debugger integrated (or indeed, at all) - but I
don’t want to.

If you were my client, and you responded “because I want it” when I
asked why a feature was of value to you, you wouldn’t get the feature.

So…have you used RDB at the command line? What do you not like about
it?

For the record, I normally hate command-line debuggers; RDB is the
exception.

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

That was my IDE, too. I saw that coming when there was no move to make
Rails 3/Ruby 1.9 work well, so I moved to RubyMine. I like it and it
is easy to adjust since a lot of stuff is similar. It’s too bad about
NetBeans, when it worked it did a decent job.

Whenever there gets to be a discussion about Rails IDEs, there are
always people who need to say, “I don’t use an IDE, so I can’t imagine
why you would want to.” I hope these people aren’t designing UIs.

Xavier N. wrote in post #977968:

On Thursday, January 27, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:

Mostly. I like choices, and I like IDEs, but I wish people would stop
trying to use conventional IDEs for Rails. There’s really no benefit,
and there are lots of disadvantages.

Why? Let people use whatever they like.

Oh, absolutely, but I try to discourage bad choices. Using an IDE for
Rails is IMHO a bad choice.

And how can be no benefit, you know the ton of Rails knowledge an IDE
like RubyMine brings on the table?

So what? It’s not worth the clunky interface.

When I need to do a session of work on a particular Rails application I
use RubyMine. I’ve been a heavy emacs user for some years, I have used
TextMate as everybody else, but with RubyMine my productivity is clearly
better. My productivity, not necessarily your productivity.

My job made copies of RubyMine and TextMate available to me. I tried
both and quickly went back to KomodoEdit.

People should remember IDEs are not for running rake task with wizards,
I still have the style of working with the editor and switching to the
console all the time.

In which case, you’re not using the IDE as an IDE, and you might as well
drop it in favor of an editor. (I used to use Aptana pretty much in the
way you’re describing.)

But RubyMine has a lot of knowledge about Ruby on
Rails.

Such as? I really couldn’t see any point to using it, despite all the
hype.

(KomodoEdit does Rails-aware code completion if you install the Ruby
plugin. I find it nearly useless, though not completely so.)

My combo of choice is console + heavy-aware editor for Rails. And
heavy-aware out of the box, not after these dozen plugins and these many
configuration lines that give you half the experience.

What configuration lines? KomodoEdit plugins install the same way
Firefox plugins do, and generally work right out of the box.

I see no advantage in avoiding plugins – for one thing, a plugin
architecture means I can stick with an IDE I like through multiple
languages. (I’m currently writing a Lilypond plugin for KomodoEdit for
this very reason – the “official” one is for jEdit, which I don’t like
as much.)

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

redcar is awesome

use to install

$ gem install redcar
$ redcar install
$ redcar

2011/1/27 David C. [email protected]

Please quote when replying.

Paul wrote in post #977971:

That was my IDE, too. I saw that coming when there was no move to make
Rails 3/Ruby 1.9 work well, so I moved to RubyMine. I like it and it
is easy to adjust since a lot of stuff is similar. It’s too bad about
NetBeans, when it worked it did a decent job.

Yes – but not for Rails IMHO. I use it for Monkeybars, and would use
it if I had to do a Java project.

Whenever there gets to be a discussion about Rails IDEs, there are
always people who need to say, “I don’t use an IDE, so I can’t imagine
why you would want to.”

I try not to be that person. I love IDEs. I use them for languages and
frameworks that benefit from them, such as Java and certain non-Rails
stuff in Ruby. I was actually a little surprised when I started working
with Rails to find that IDEs provided no benefit – but that is the
case.

I’d be happy to give RubyMine another try at some point, but I was
really unimpressed by it.

Note that I’m not saying it would be absolutely impossible to design an
IDE that was beneficial for Rails. The problem is that the dynamic
nature of Rails, and to some extent Ruby, means that such an IDE does
not yet exist, and would have to work very differently from the
conventional IDEs that are out there. (I tend to think that the best
bet would be a Smalltalk-style class browser.)

I hope these people aren’t designing UIs.

I hope the people who are tied to IDEs aren’t designing UIs. :slight_smile:

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

Before Netbeans I used Aptana (Red Rails) at that time, Aptana wasn’t
better than Netbeans, but I think now Is a good time for give it a try

Noes…

Rails.vim it is.

eveevans wrote in post #978015:

Before Netbeans I used Aptana (Red Rails) at that time, Aptana wasn’t
better than Netbeans, but I think now Is a good time for give it a try

No point. I used to use Aptana also. It’s no better for Rails than
NetBeans, and it’s buit on Eclipse, which is a lot less pleasant to use.
Just get a decent project-aware editor (KomodoEdit, jEdit, TextMate,
Emacs, whatever) and throw away your crutches.

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser
http://www.marnen.org
[email protected]

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