My goodness why does RoR has to be so beginer unfrendly?

I have create a RoR project using “rails new” on ubuntu.
Now I am looking for any ide to start coding, but I haven’t found the
way to bring the project into any ide, I have tried with Netbeans 6.9.1
it can not see that it is a ruby project, the same with aptana.
What I am looking for is an ide where I can see the project structure.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:16 AM, hoboy Hoboy [email protected]
wrote:

I have create a RoR project using “rails new” on ubuntu.
Now I am looking for any ide to start coding, but I haven’t found the
way to bring the project into any ide, I have tried with Netbeans 6.9.1
it can not see that it is a ruby project, the same with aptana.
What I am looking for is an ide where I can see the project structure.

Its actually not unfriendly, just closer to the pavement. I recommend
simply
using a good text editor. Free one is KomodoEdit. I use vim / macvim…
To
see the structure as well just browse your file system, and also you
should
be able to see it in your texteditor (definitely choose one which
permits
this). Some people will argue they want an IDE. IMO you will learn
better
and be most resourceful if you dont use one. You can search this list
for
‘ide’ and you should see a lot of posts, seems that questions on this
come
by almost weekly.

David K…
Thanks what ide you use ? and how specically you import your project
into that ide ?
I am on ubuntu.
Well when I was leaning python it was easy to get round with. install
it, starting it.
I have many years of java/.Net programming as profational.
UPS… sorry about my question you are using
vim / macvim…

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:34 AM, hoboy Hoboy [email protected]
wrote:

David K…
Thanks what ide you use ? and how specically you import your project
into that ide ?

Actually I picked up vim a couple months ago and love it. Although if
you do
not use it you might not want to do both your ror learning curve and vim
learning curve at the same time. I am on mac and before used text edit.

I am on ubuntu.
Well when I was leaning python it was easy to get round with. install
it, starting it.
I have many years of java/.Net programming as profational.

Yeah, I came from .Net myself, actually that is where I developed a
distaste
for ide’s, namely that I dont like all the voodoo behind the scenes or
weird
‘extra’ files being created. I like the idea of being able to just work
from
knowledge, and given that rails is dynamic there is a lot even if there
was
a great ide that it would never help you with.

If you google for ‘ubuntu text editor rails’ I see a number of results,
I
would start there. End of day it is a personal choice. But do check out
vim
at some point, it is amazing once you get through a day or two of
learning
curve (I mean that in a couple days you can probably be productive
again,
but not necessarily taking advantage of a lot of its features).

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:47 AM, David K.
[email protected]wrote:

do not use it you might not want to do both your ror learning curve and vim
learning curve at the same time. I am on mac and before used text edit.

Ha… not text edit, TextMate… I also do hear about gedit a lot on
linux
but never used.

On 16 April 2011 11:16, hoboy Hoboy [email protected] wrote:

I have create a RoR project using “rails new” on ubuntu.

What tutorial are you following to guide you through the beginner steps?

Now I am looking for any ide to start coding, but I haven’t found the
way to bring the project into any ide, I have tried with Netbeans 6.9.1
it can not see that it is a ruby project, the same with aptana.

You won’t find IDEs as integrated as .Net and Visual Studio. You’ll
only find text editors, and text editors with more bells and whistles
integrated.

What I am looking for is an ide where I can see the project structure.

IIRC You can get directory browsing plugins for GEdit… or whatever
your favourite editor is.

Personally, I use Netbeans 6.9.1, and run Rails 2.x apps integrated
perfectly, but I’ve not tried with Rails 3.

Tiobe list nice place for ruby

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

I use RubyMine with Rails 3 and like it.

RubyMine is the best but it cost money
As i am not professional rails developer I didn’t want to use money on
ide.
If there is a free version can you point me to that ?

I hope I will see the light, but for the time being this has been one
very frustrating. RoR is easy to generate the project from console, but
difficult to deal with it later.
I am looking at Gedit now, Geany, Gedit, i will also look for RoR
eclipse plugin… I just wanted to widen my horizon as programmer.

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On Apr 16, 2011, at 5:16 AM, hoboy Hoboy [email protected] wrote:

I have create a RoR project using “rails new” on ubuntu.
Now I am looking for any ide to start coding, but I haven’t found the
way to bring the project into any ide, I have tried with Netbeans 6.9.1
it can not see that it is a ruby project, the same with aptana.
What I am looking for is an ide where I can see the project structure.

I use Aptana Studio 3 just fine with Rails 2 and Rails 3. It shows my
Ruby projects and my Rails projects which I can create the structures
for through the IDE.

I think the reason you are not finding what you want is that your
expectation is that an IDE for another language should work as the ones
for Java do. Different language different tools.

That being said, IDEs are like fancy cars. They don’t help you be a
better driver. You still have to know how to drive and where the basic
things are. I spent years coding with just vi (*nix) or edit (DOS)
before I ever used an IDE. Knowing the language and how things are
structured makes using an IDE (regardless of language) a breeze. If you
can’t drive a Ford you sure as hell can’t drive a Mercedes.

B.

Thanks for all the good advices.
Yes I have great respect for people who really remember the API of the
language they use.
About the what Bryan C. said hi is right, but I have learned few
languages before.

All of the others comments have been spot-on. I come from a .net
background, and can understand your search for an IDE. I have tried most
of the ones currently available, but enjoy rubymine the most. Yes it’s
going to cost you, but it’s worth the money.

On the other hand, I’m on the fence if it’s going to make learning
easier. Digging through the API, and some of the great tutorials seems
to be the best way to get a grasp on on Ruby, and Rails. Once you get
the basics, you will understand why so many people love developing with
rails.

Just the other day I discovered RedCar, and I’m excited about the
possibilities that it offers.

In the end, it’s really about what works for you.

Jason

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