How? I have a project full of gems etc etc how can I move it in
3rdRail? I hope I don’t have to do it manually for every single file…
any help appreciated
HI Snaggy
When I was a beta-tester for 3rdrail, importing from Aptana to 3rdrail
was a breeze.
Out of curiosity, why would you find it compelling to move to 3rd
rail ?
Hi. If it was a breeze, why don’t you tell me how to do it? Do I just
copy the directory? How can I make it a project in 3rdRail?
I’m moving because it’s much better in thirdrail, I like the command
line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features,
I’m not sure I like the file view and I can’t get it to display the
actual folder content…
Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it’s slow, always
full of bugs… but I see no alternatives for RoR…
bye and sorry if I went a bit out of topic!
You can import any Rails application into 3rdRail via “File |
Import… | Rails/Import Existing Rails Application”, then just select
the directory. You don’t even have to move it, just reference them
wherever they are.
Hi Snaggy
On Sep 24, 4:17 am, Snaggy [email protected] wrote:
Hi. If it was a breeze, why don’t you tell me how to do it? Do I just
copy the directory?
cch Just the import functionality, it has always worked for me during
the testing phase.
.How can I make it a project in 3rdRail?
cch: Right click and select Import
I’m moving because it’s much better in thirdrail, I like the command
line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features,
I’m not sure I like the file view and I can’t get it to display the
actual folder content…
Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it’s slow, always
full of bugs… but I see no alternatives for RoR…
cch: 3rdRail is eclipse based
Hmm, I’d never heard of 3rdRail so I just checked it out: it appears to
be a commercial product.
I personally use Aptana and, yes it has its issues but I think it’s
better to support an open source initiative with a donation than walk
off to a close source solution.
However, if 3rdRail is streets ahead of Aptana then it may be worth
paying for. So, what does it give that Aptana doesn’t?
Snaggy wrote:
Hi. If it was a breeze, why don’t you tell me how to do it? Do I just
copy the directory? How can I make it a project in 3rdRail?I’m moving because it’s much better in thirdrail, I like the command
line, the code completion, the browser with dom inspecting features,
I’m not sure I like the file view and I can’t get it to display the
actual folder content…
Anyway, I hate eclipse and everything related to it, it’s slow, always
full of bugs… but I see no alternatives for RoR…
Ummm… you do realise that 3rd Rail is built on Eclipse just like
Aptana?
a good ALTERNATIVE IDE I just found is netbeans
it is actually not bad, and way better than Aptana…wtf is aptana and
why
did the rad rails gang move to that???
anyway netbeans has a ruby pack
find it at
http://www.netbeans.org/products/ruby/
i’m trialling it at the moment…so am reserving judgment…
Hi John
I don’t think 3rdRail is streets ahead of Aptana RadRails.
In some areas such as the Project Commander, yes
But RadRails is still ahead in terms of plugin manager, rake tasks.
3rdRail have a nice Model wizard which can automatically create a
model, migrations , controller and even optionally the std Rails
Scaffold.
This will certainly be appealing to newbies. But after using
ActiveScaffold, why would anyone want to generate std Rails
scaffolding codes ?
I did a difference summary for them including screenshots of the nice
RadRails tabs (server,rake tasks,generate, plugins) but I dont think
it was well accepted 
Their approach was to use the Project
Commander.
My basic commercial question is why would you pay for something when
there is something out there is usable (and free), and in some cases
having better features ?
The bottomline is that I am pretty happy with Radrails and have gone
to production for a e-CRM project which is a rewrite of a Delphi Win32
apps using Rails + activescaffold + a number of AS-compatible plugins
all within a space of 3 months.
Having said that, I will still keep an eye on the development of
3rdRail
On Sep 24, 5:02 pm, John L. [email protected]
i know it’s based on eclipse and i meant i didn’t like it. i hoped
that it wasn’t based on eclipse. and i realize now how easy it was to
import!
Hi Dion
Have tried netbeans some time ago and as recent as yesterday, I still
find it slow and hangs quite often.
On Sep 24, 5:39 pm, “Dion H.” [email protected] wrote:
a good ALTERNATIVE IDE I just found is netbeans
it is actually not bad, and way better than Aptana…wtf is aptana and why
did the rad rails gang move to that???
cch: netbeans has clearly lesser functionality than Aptana Radrails.
Out of curiosity, why would you say it is way better than Aptana ?
Hi Snaggy
I think the import functonality is eclipse base as Radrails has almost
the same import functionality
the problem is that they are both running on a java backbone
java was never meant to do GUI, the bytecode conversion takes too long
look at the java.exe cpu usage while just browsing the netbeans menu
really
fast
I get up to 60% usage…thats crazy
anyway…I should just use textmate on my mac…
java was never meant to do GUI, the bytecode conversion takes too long
look at the java.exe cpu usage while just browsing the netbeans menu
really fast
Dude, you’re living in 1998. Nowadays, Java is JIT compiled and runs as
fast as native apps after the initial compilation. The first time you
browse the menu, it might be noticably slow, but after that it will be
just as as fast as a native app.
cch: netbeans has clearly lesser functionality than Aptana Radrails.
Out of curiosity, why would you say it is way better than Aptana ?
I was using Aptana and found myself occasionally switching back to
Netbeans. Netbeans may take a while to load, but once its running it
runs really well for me. Aptana keeps doing this think where it will
just freeze for several seconds right in the middle of an edit. It does
that to me on both Windows and on Ubuntu. I find that very annoying.
In the end, I’m not sure which I actually prefer, though. I’m leaning
toward netbeans. It’s the only one I’ve found myself going back to
repeatedly over the last 2 or 3 months.
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Dave S. wrote:
java was never meant to do GUI, the bytecode conversion takes too long
look at the java.exe cpu usage while just browsing the netbeans menu
really fastDude, you’re living in 1998. Nowadays, Java is JIT compiled and runs as
fast as native apps after the initial compilation. The first time you
browse the menu, it might be noticably slow, but after that it will be
just as as fast as a native app.
Dude, you must be using one extremely fast computer to not notice the
difference. I tried the new Netbeans beta over the weekend and it was
noticably slower than my other apps. So slow I ended up uninstalling
it, just like every other Java IDE/app I’ve ever tried.
This was on a 1-year old MacBook Pro with 2GBs of ram and not much else
running besides Safari.
If Java apps work for you that’s great but I haven’t seen a Java app yet
that was fast enough for me.
–
Greg D.
Cyberfusion Consulting
http://cyberfusionconsulting.com/
Well, if you’re used to using something as light as Textmate, then it
will certainly feel heavy. But otherwise, there is absolutely no reason
why a java app should run noticably slower than any native app (after
the first few seconds)… maybe the Mac JRE implementation is screwy.
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Dave S. wrote:
Well, if you’re used to using something as light as Textmate, then it
will certainly feel heavy.
So you’re saying Java apps probably wouldn’t feel so heavy if I didn’t
use Textmate? Gotta admit, that’s not one I’ve ever heard before, heh.
But otherwise, there is absolutely no reason
why a java app should run noticably slower than any native app (after
the first few seconds)… maybe the Mac JRE implementation is screwy.
I guess the JRE was messed up on all the machines I ever used it on too
then, windoze 95, windoze 98, windoze xp, Debian GNU/Linux, Fedora,
Gentoo, etc.
So the real problem here must be that I the JRE is implemented wrong?
The developers would probably like to know what they are doing wrong, I
think you should maybe explain it to them like you have here. It’s all
Textmate’s fault Java is so slow.
–
Greg D.
Cyberfusion Consulting
http://cyberfusionconsulting.com/
I have to concur with Greg, every java gui I use absolutely crawls if I
have
anything but it open. Some apps behave better than others, but when I
see
java app running I’m constantly having to shut things down for it to
behave
well.
I had been using Aptana but it isn’t very well to writing code so I
was looking for an alternative.
Netbeans 6.0 is very well integrated with Ruby/Rails, and it’s a lot
of better than Aptana when you’re writing code. It’s on beta but it
works as charm.
http://wiki.netbeans.org/wiki/view/RubyOnRails
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/bleonard/archive/2007/03/if_you_thought_1.html
Installation:
http://thoughtmining.blogspot.com/2007/03/installing-netbeans-with-rubyrails.html
http://codersifu.blogspot.com/2007/03/howto-install-netbeans-60-beta-with.html