Making a Website with Ruby (not rails?)

I have been programming in Ruby for a while and have made several
personal applications, so I’d like to say I’m not a complete novice when
it comes to Ruby, and programming in general; however I have not gone as
far as the complexities involved in Ruby on Rails (it’s more or less the
multiple class/files setup).

I want to make a website with Ruby for a group I’m in, nothing
complicated (no forums or accounts), and while this is suppose to be a
simple read-only type website, whenever I look for making websites with
Ruby, I’m always redirected to a Ruby on Rails page. Is this something
that can be done with just Ruby, or would I be better off to learn Ruby
on Rails?

Any tutorials, tips, or links would be greatly appreciated.

-JRJurman

Check out Sinatra and/or Camping.

http://www.sinatrarb.com/

http://whywentcamping.com/

+1 for Sinatra, it is damn easy to use and get started with, the source
of
sinatra isn’t very long either, you can actually read it and understand
it
yourself.


Thanks & Regards,
Dhruva S…

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Jesse J. [email protected]
wrote:

that can be done with just Ruby, or would I be better off to learn Ruby
on Rails?

Any tutorials, tips, or links would be greatly appreciated.

-JRJurman


Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

This one looks interesting:

http://ramaze.net/learn/getting-started

Jesse J. wrote:

I want to make a website with Ruby for a group I’m in, nothing
complicated (no forums or accounts), and while this is suppose to be a
simple read-only type website,

What part or aspect of the web site do you want to do in ruby then?

Rainer

Horse for courses. Pick something like Joomla, or if the content doesn’t
change much, just draw it with something like Xara Web.

Final thoughts: I’m going to recommend against serving Sinatra on Heroku,
you have to know what you’re doing and be able to go digging through their
source code to troubleshoot errors stemming from not using Rails.

Have you tried hosting Sinatra on Heroku? This simply isn’t true.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Steve K.
[email protected]wrote:

Final thoughts: I’m going to recommend against serving Sinatra on Heroku,
you have to know what you’re doing and be able to go digging through
their
source code to troubleshoot errors stemming from not using Rails.

Have you tried hosting Sinatra on Heroku? This simply isn’t true.

Yes, I have. I did have to go looking through the Heroku gem maybe 2 or
3
times. It is simple things that you would not think about, like your
database.yaml file must be in a folder named config, in your project
root,
and the keys in that file must be strings, not symbols. Whoops, even
that
isn’t right, it must end in yml, not in yaml. You don’t have to think
about
that in Rails, Rails just does that, but in not Rails, you need to know.

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Jesse J. [email protected]
wrote:

that can be done with just Ruby, or would I be better off to learn Ruby
on Rails?

Any tutorials, tips, or links would be greatly appreciated.

-JRJurman


Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

It sounds like you just want a static site (content doesn’t change),
with
simple pages that you serve up to the user? If so, the simplest way to
do it
is just write it with HTML.


A step up from there would be to generate the pages with ERB, this would
allow you to do some calculations in the page at the time you compile
them
to HTML. For example:

require ‘erb’
template = <<-HTML

    <% ('a'..'z').each do |char| %>
  • <%= char %>
  • <% end %>
HTML puts ERB.new(template,nil,'>').result

A step up from there would be to go to a static site framework, here is
a
pretty good list:
http://ruby-toolbox.com/categories/static_website_generation.html


A step up from there would be a simple dynamic website, probably with a
database. I’d suggest Sinatra, and the Sinatra screencast from Peepcode
shows a good example.


And of course, you’ll need to host it somewhere. Heroku is fast and easy
for
this sort of thing (though you need to know git – or at least how to
add ,
commit , and push) For a static site, you will want this hierarchy:

|-- config.ru
-- public |-- file1.html– index.html

Where “public” contains your static html files that you want to serve
up,
and “config.ru” has the contents:

run lambda { |env|
if env[‘PATH_INFO’] == ‘/’
[301, { ‘Location’ => ‘/index.html’ , ‘Content-Type’ => ‘text/html’
},
[’’] ]
else
Rack::File.new(File.dirname(FILE)+"/public").call(env)
end
}


Final thoughts: I’m going to recommend against serving Sinatra on
Heroku,
you have to know what you’re doing and be able to go digging through
their
source code to troubleshoot errors stemming from not using Rails. For
that,
you might look into Engine Y., I haven’t used them, but they
repeatedly
impress me, and are supposed to be willing to work with you if you need
it.

If your site is more than trivially dynamic, I think Rails is better
than
Sinatra. I worked on a moderately sized Sinatra project where quite a
bit of
time was spent dealing with not having the niceties of Rails accessible.

If this is your first dynamic site, and you are debating between Sinatra
and
Rails, go with Sinatra. You will be overwhelmed with Rails, but Sinatra
is
pretty easy to grok. It also will get you comfortable enough with the
concepts that Rails will be much easier for you afterward.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Steve K.
[email protected]wrote:

Interesting. I have half a dozen Sinatra projects on Heroku, and I never
had
to deal with any of those issues. I guess I just got lucky with my config
setup…

You probably were smarter about it than I was. I followed some Rails
conventions where they made sense, and digressed where it seemed
appropriate
or where I wasn’t checking to see how Rails had done it. Those
digressions
were a mistake, and I think I regretted almost all of them. I looked at
the
heroku code now, and it looks like it is much friendlier about
explaining to
you why whatever you were trying to do didn’t work, but it used to
silently
rescue exceptions and just not work, or fail somewhere else further on,
so I
had to load up the gem, and follow it down from the binary to see where
it
was going wrong.

Thanks for the responses, I really just want to avoid using HTML, as I
have had trouble both setting it up file wise, as well as graphics wise.
I’m glad there are a multitude of different solutions involving ruby,
and I’ll defiantly check them out later today!

Interesting. I have half a dozen Sinatra projects on Heroku, and I never
had
to deal with any of those issues. I guess I just got lucky with my
config
setup…