Is there a Rails-like project out that just makes writing so


#1

Hey guys,

It struck me the other day that one of the nicest things about Rails
is that it knows a lot of things so I don’t have to. For instance,
when i want to create a new Rails project I just type “rails path/to/
new/project” and a handful of seconds later I get a dummied out
webapp with test frameworks and all. I then run ./script/generate and
start building the application out from there. I don’t have to worry
about where to put my

Nothing too surprising there. What is surprising is how unbelievably
useful that is. I’m no longer a coder, I know how to program in a
number of languages but I’ve been specializing in Web Technologies
(and relying on REALLY clever java coders) for long enough that I’m
very rusty. Ruby helps me get back into the game. But every time I
want to start a project, even to do something relatively trivial, I
always run into the question, “How do I start this?”. I’m not sure
how I should arrange my files, where I should put my test cases, etc.

I would like someone a lot smarter than I to build something like the
Rails generators but far more generalized. Things I would like it to do:

  1. Create a framework for building your app. Perhaps it could take a
    list of dependancies you know you’re going to need and gets them setup
    CreateProject myproject RMagick JabberR MYSQL
    CreateProject myproject Rails <-- AKA rails myproject only it would
    install rails if it hadn’t already?

  2. Generator for classes
    ./script/generate class myclass
    ./script/generate class mymodule/myclass
    ./script/generate class mymodule/myclass -i InheritedClass -m
    MixInModule1 -m MixinModule2

    Or something. The important point would be that it would create the
    necessary files, including unit test files. Perhaps a testing
    framework like that of Rails where YAML is used to create fixtures
    for testing could be prescribed.
    Also, as I understand things, if you’re creating a relatively
    complex module where you have multiple files, you would have
    mymodule.rb that would require mymodule/myclass.rb. I’d like to have
    mymodule.rb automatically maintained.

  3. Scripts for “gemifying” your project. I assume that, assuming
    you’ve written code in a particular fashion, you could automate the
    process of turning your code into a gem.

I guess that basically I’m looking for Rails without the Rails
“Database App on the Web” paradigm.


#2

Hey guys,

It struck me the other day that one of the nicest things about Rails
is that it knows a lot of things so I don’t have to. For instance,
when i want to create a new Rails project I just type “rails path/to/
new/project” and a handful of seconds later I get a dummied out
webapp with test frameworks and all. I then run ./script/generate and
start building the application out from there. I don’t have to worry
about where to put my

Nothing too surprising there. What is surprising is how unbelievably
useful that is. I’m no longer a coder, I know how to program in a
number of languages but I’ve been specializing in Web Technologies
(and relying on REALLY clever java coders) for long enough that I’m
very rusty. Ruby helps me get back into the game. But every time I
want to start a project, even to do something relatively trivial, I
always run into the question, “How do I start this?”. I’m not sure
how I should arrange my files, where I should put my test cases, etc.

I would like someone a lot smarter than I to build something like the
Rails generators but far more generalized. Things I would like it to do:

  1. Create a framework for building your app. Perhaps it could take a
    list of dependancies you know you’re going to need and gets them setup
    CreateProject myproject RMagick JabberR MYSQL
    CreateProject myproject Rails <-- AKA rails myproject only it would
    install rails if it hadn’t already?

  2. Generator for classes
    ./script/generate class myclass
    ./script/generate class mymodule/myclass
    ./script/generate class mymodule/myclass -i InheritedClass -m
    MixInModule1 -m MixinModule2

    Or something. The important point would be that it would create the
    necessary files, including unit test files. Perhaps a testing
    framework like that of Rails where YAML is used to create fixtures
    for testing could be prescribed.
    Also, as I understand things, if you’re creating a relatively
    complex module where you have multiple files, you would have
    mymodule.rb that would require mymodule/myclass.rb. I’d like to have
    mymodule.rb automatically maintained.

  3. Scripts for “gemifying” your project. I assume that, assuming
    you’ve written code in a particular fashion, you could automate the
    process of turning your code into a gem.

I guess that basically I’m looking for Rails without the Rails
“Database App on the Web” paradigm.


#3

On Wednesday 23 November 2005 16:45, Jeremy K. wrote:

On Nov 23, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Adam Van Den H. wrote:

I would like someone a lot smarter than I to build something like
the Rails generators but far more generalized.

Hi Adam,

I think you’ll reap the greatest dividends by plunging directly into
Ruby’s lush tropical waters.

Lol, yeah, when I read this the first thought I had too was “It’s called
Ruby.” :slight_smile:


#4

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On Nov 23, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Adam Van Den H. wrote:

  ./script/generate class myclass
  ./script/generate class mymodule/myclass
  ./script/generate class mymodule/myclass -i InheritedClass -m  

MixInModule1 -m MixinModule2

Or something. The important point would be that it would create
the necessary files, including unit test files. Perhaps a testing
framework like that of Rails where YAML is used to create fixtures
for testing could be prescribed.

Hi Adam,

I think you’ll reap the greatest dividends by plunging directly into
Ruby’s lush tropical waters.

You’ll find that building apps to bring your ideas to life is a joy
that a code generator can never capture.

Look at example code and others’ apps to get a feel for how to get
yourself situated. Above all, write Ruby! Crack open irb and test,
run, test, run :slight_smile:

Best,
jeremy
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#5

Kevin B. wrote:

Ruby’s lush tropical waters.

Lol, yeah, when I read this the first thought I had too was “It’s called
Ruby.” :slight_smile:

Exactly.

Rails is Ruby + “Database App on the Web” paradigm, so, if you remove
the paradigm …

I mean, there’s a reason Rails is written in Ruby, no?

James

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