On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Jocke S. firstname.lastname@example.org
I’m replying to this off-list, simply because I don’t really feel this is an
issue that needs to be debated in public. If you feel it should be public,
please feel free to reply on-list.
Okay, I have done that, to help encourage discussion on the topic and
because you have good points.
I hope my words don’t come across as negative. My intention is to let you
know how things are in our business. A business that’s led by real world
constraints such as budgets and time. I personally wish for unlimited
resources, but that’s just dreaming.
I didn’t find anything you said in this message to be negative or
insulting, and I’m glad you shared your thoughts. Of course… there
are things worth discussing here.
On 18 Jan 2009, at 01:35, Gregory B. wrote:
= Are you happy with Prawn as it is and have already migrated your new
projects to it?
I haven’t even tried Prawn. Why? Because PDF::Write works and I frankly
don’t have time to “play around” with stuff that’s not a priority. I suspect
that one day I need to try out Prawn, and I have 100% faith in that it’ll be
just fine for our needs.
Do you mean it works in projects you already have built, or that you
are using PDF::Writer for new projects? In the former case, I’ve got
a lot of projects that are that way. We built them in PDF::Writer,
they ‘work’, and they’ll probably never get translated. But 90% of
the time, it’d be crazy for me to use it for new projects because
Prawn is such a time saver and will be a major benefit down the line
since it is actively developed. There are those 10% cases from time
to time, but those get smaller each day (For me, others might have a
With this in mind, I’d like to have clear migration instructions from
PDF::Writer to, then, PDF::Document.
This is a great idea, and you can be sure that this will exist by the
time PDF::Document 1.0 is out. I might even put something together
for Prawn in the interim. Or even better, any volunteers?
The requirement is simply that I need a template that will be applied to all
pages of the “print-out”. Such as headers, footers, and a good bonus would
be to define default fonts/sizes/colours etc.
This requirement could also be defined as a one-page-document that can be
read into PDF::Document and used as a template. This would obviously provide
for a greater level of customisation for non-programmers (read: graphic
Just for the record, I think this is an interesting feature. It’s not
present in PDF::Writer, so it’s not at the top of the queue in terms
of my personal goals, but I like the idea a lot and would welcome a
prawn-paper extension, possibly even as part of the ‘official’
project. Those interested in working on such a thing should contact
me on the Prawn mailing list.
breath I’ll state that our system will, in time, switch to PDF::Document.
I think there may have been a misunderstanding. I didn’t mean people
should go eradicate existing PDF::Writer projects and replace them
with Prawn, because I’m not even doing that (well, not everywhere,
anyway). What I’m suggesting is that people should use Prawn for
their new projects once it becomes PDF::Document because my current
plans are to drop all support for PDF::Writer.
Now you’ve been lucky and not run into issues (with either
performance, bugs, etc) in PDF::Writer, but many others are not so
lucky, and without a maintainer, PDF::Writer will continue to rot in
the face of these issues. Sure, we can get it up on github and hope
for the best, but I don’t think that’s any real solution. I plan to
do one or two more release of PDF::Writer before I retire it, just to
clear the patch pool, but after that, the ‘official’ development will
completely stop unless someone stands up and takes up the role of
This is why the best solution I can see is for PDF::Writer users to
spend an hour or two learning Prawn to see how close it fits their
needs. If a huge group feels like it’s way off and will continue to
be way off after 1.0, the they should elect a maintainer and get in
touch with me for a smooth transition.
I also want to thank you for your continued work and support. Both on Prawn
Thanks for the kind words,