If you are an American, do you apply for Rails work based ov

I am just wondering, I see jobs advertised in the UK, India and other
places. I have to wonder if I should bother with such job postings as
I tend to think I may be at a disadvantage if the pay is less or cost
of living is less for developers allready living over there, but I am
not reaslly sure. Any good recommended job sites ? I have been using
that xml feed.

On 20 Dec 2006, at 13:41, surf wrote:

I am just wondering, I see jobs advertised in the UK, India and other
places. I have to wonder if I should bother with such job postings as
I tend to think I may be at a disadvantage if the pay is less or cost
of living is less for developers allready living over there, but I am
not reaslly sure. Any good recommended job sites ? I have been using
that xml feed.

If I were American and saw an appealing work-from-anywhere job
advertised in the U.K., I would apply.

You would presumably be paid in pounds, which convert pretty well to
dollars at the moment, and your cost of living in the U.S. is almost
certainly lower than the cost of living in the U.K.

Regards,
Andy S.

P.S. My grasp of economics could be charitably described as
threadbare :slight_smile:

I have found that North American (US & Canada) salaries in IT beat
those anywhere else. Essentially, if you are an American, you won;t get
paid what can in the states unless you go to the Middle East. I have
done that and, provided you work for an Arab Governmental agency there,
you can do very well. They do what they say they will do, and I have
found them to be generous. Working for corporations or individuals
there can be dicey however.

However, IT (programming) nowadays there is pretty much dominated by
the Subcontinentals, who have deluged the place working for lower wages
than in the past. Generally, I would say you are far better off to work
in the states.

I have been told that the UK is essentially a third world country ever
since the end of the second world war. I would imagine the pay might be
lower, but since I would like to get more experience in Rails, if they
would hire me for a few months it might be good even if I earned a
significantly lower salary. I would imagine the pay in India would be
even lower.

I’m in the process of offshoring myself. I’m moving my family to India.

I have a startup project that would be much easier to pursue without
having to sustain the standard of living costs we have in the US. If I
pick up telecommuting side jobs I’ll actually be putting more money in
the bank than I could in the US. Even if my hourly rate is discounted.

Be aware that programming jobs tend to pay pretty low there. If you land
a managers postion you could do much better. None of that matters if you
find living conditions in big Indian cities to be intolerable, many do.

I might like to spend some time in India, visit the dalai lama and see
some gurus, but I’m not sure I’d want to live there. For one, the rock
scene is even worse over there (I’m a musician).

On 12/20/06, surf [email protected] wrote:

I have been using that xml feed.

What xml feed?

Well, I read Scott Rittiers book on Iraq before the invasion and
learned that there was no WMD before we went in, so I was ahead the
masses on that one. You would think that with satellites and a big
budget of intel our gov would know something, but then the question is:
is it incompetence or conspiracy ? If you go with the former it seems
the level of incompetence is incredibly high, go with the latter, many
don’t like conspiracy theories, though I may have heard they are
gaining popularity.

but if I admit I am not an authority on England.

On 21 Dec 2006, at 19:59, surf wrote:

I have been told that the UK is essentially a third world country ever
since the end of the second world war.

Don’t believe everything you hear :slight_smile:

Regards,
Andy S.

Well, I read Scott Rittiers book on Iraq before the invasion and
learned that there was no WMD before we went in, so I was ahead the
masses on that one. You would think that with satellites and a big
budget of intel our gov would know something, but then the question is:
is it incompetence or conspiracy ? If you go with the former it seems
the level of incompetence is incredibly high, go with the latter, many
don’t like conspiracy theories, though I may have heard they are
gaining popularity.

but if I admit I am not an authority on England.

surf wrote:

I have been told that the UK is essentially a third world country ever
since the end of the second world war.

I might like to spend some time in India, visit the dalai lama and see
some gurus, but I’m not sure I’d want to live there. For one, the rock
scene is even worse over there (I’m a musician).

You sure know a lot about the world you’ve never seen.

surf wrote:

Well, I read Scott Rittiers book on Iraq before the invasion and
learned that there was no WMD before we went in, so I was ahead the
masses on that one.

I knew that, and all I do is filter snips of mass-media news. Keeping
Iraq
WMD-free was Saddam’s only way to prevent the Bush family from
orchestrating
an invasion, for a decade, and he knew it. As soon as they had a window
of
opportunity, they took it anyway.

You would think that with satellites and a big
budget of intel our gov would know something, but then the question is:
is it incompetence or conspiracy ?

Tip: Valerie Plame’s job at the CIA is no (longer a) secret. She was the
lead investigator into Iraq’s potential for WMD. The boring work, like
reading all the shipping manifests into and out of the country,
connecting
the dots, etc. She said they didn’t have any, and the Bush
administration
“outed” her to send a message to the CIA that they should provide more
cherry-pickable product in the future.

If you go with the former it seems
the level of incompetence is incredibly high, go with the latter, many
don’t like conspiracy theories, though I may have heard they are
gaining popularity.

Some conspiracy theories are just an ink-blot test. But some are indeed
“History, written by the Conquered”.


Phlip
http://www.greencheese.us/ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!!

surf wrote:

I have been told that the UK is essentially a third world country ever
since the end of the second world war. I would imagine the pay might be
lower, but since I would like to get more experience in Rails, if they
would hire me for a few months it might be good even if I earned a
significantly lower salary. I would imagine the pay in India would be
even lower.

I wouldn’t bother trying for work in the UK after that little nugget,
dude. Throwing insults around isn’t a great way to try and get hired.

We’re doing fine here, thanks, and working for two global IT consultancy
companies prior to current freelancing, I can testify that we got paid
considerably more in the UK than the US guys did.

p.s. I’m only anonymous to protect former colleagues from embarassment,
not myself.

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