I offer serious help


#1

Hello Joe,

I don’t have much time now (ditching a physics lecture to write this)
so I’ll make this first one short:

Do you still want help learning to program so that you’ll eventually
be able to program an MMORPG (I’m warning you: it will probably take
at least five years under the best guidance there is, but they will be
fun years with many fun games created in between)?

I offer it. I think I understand you, as I’m 18, a proffesional
programmer, I hang out with lots of hobbyist game programmers and I
used to be one (I even started two summers ago to work on - gasp - a
very cool MMORTS written in Ruby).

To see if we speak the same language:

  1. I think you’d enjoy playing with a language called Logo.

Download UCBLogo here:
ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/ucblogo/ucbwlogosetup.exe

Read this VERY SHORT great tutorial and type each and every example
you see, and then play with it’s results to create something else
cool:
http://el.media.mit.edu/logo-foundation/logo/turtle.html

Then read this series of three great free online books that I really
liked. While you read them, play with the turtle graphics you learned
in the tutorial and with the new ideas as you learn them to keep you
from being bored.
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/v1-toc2.html

These books will get you VERY far, like… To the level I was after
about five-six years programming, and you can easily complete them
until the end of the summer.

With any question, feel free to turn to me here or on
removed_email_address@domain.invalid (MSN Messenger).

I only ask one thing as payment: to see all the cool things you come
up with. That’s my enjoyment - to see what cool things young
programmers create. So whatever you create while toying with the ideas
in the tutorial and the book, send me the source code for so that I
can recreate.

Aur


#2

(to make things clear: this is Re: Need serious help!)


#3

Tyvm. I will try this imediately. When (If, but most likely I will) make
something worth telling people about, I shall tell you right after I
tell my friend who codes Java. And thank you for not telling me to go
and write hello world! thousands of times. And if there is ever a time
when I do make a good game that people would pay to play, or pay to get
exclusive features or something like that, you will get everything free.
Course that won’t be for awhile.


#4

Dangit. The download isn’t working. For some reason it won’t paste into
the address bar, and I typed it manually and didn’t bring anything up.
And btw, what time period is your MMORTS set in? Like futuristic or
medival type?


#5

Joe W. wrote, On 7/15/2007 2:55 PM:

Dangit. The download isn’t working. For some reason it won’t paste into
the address bar, and I typed it manually and didn’t bring anything up.
And btw, what time period is your MMORTS set in? Like futuristic or
medival type?

Joe,

What was this in reference to?

Sam


#6

Sammy L. wrote:

Joe W. wrote, On 7/15/2007 2:55 PM:

Dangit. The download isn’t working. For some reason it won’t paste into
the address bar, and I typed it manually and didn’t bring anything up.
And btw, what time period is your MMORTS set in? Like futuristic or
medival type?

Joe,

What was this in reference to?

Sam

? The download link that SonofLilit put in his very nice and helpful
post didn’t copy and paste into the address bar, and didn’t work when I
manually typed it, but I went and googled it and found a download for
it. And he said he was working on a MMORTS, which sounds like an
interesting type of game. I like MMO, and I like RTS, add em together,
and it sounds wicked awesome. So I wanted to know if it was futuristic
like Halo Wars, or medival like Age of Myth., or Age of Empires. Or a
sort of combination like Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends. With the
machines and the magic.


#7

I found a download. From Brian Harvey’s homepage. So Im assuming it
would be the best one. And also some guy wrote a 94 page Introduction to
Programming for Middle School Aged Kids. It’s about Logo, so im gunna
read that after I read the tutorial you said.


#8

Joe W. wrote, On 7/15/2007 3:19 PM:

it. And he said he was working on a MMORTS, which sounds like an
interesting type of game. I like MMO, and I like RTS, add em together,
and it sounds wicked awesome. So I wanted to know if it was futuristic
like Halo Wars, or medival like Age of Myth., or Age of Empires. Or a
sort of combination like Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends. With the
machines and the magic.

Did you look into the Novashell game maker I sent?
(http://www.rtsoft.com/novashell/)


#9

Only problem, I don’t know some kind of command that erases what I did
without restarting UCB Logo and losing the words I created.


#10

And is there a way to save words you make so that whenever I restart
Logo, it keeps them and I don’t have to tell it what they mean again? I
keep trying to draw a Pilot Gnome, but everytime I mess it up, I restart
Logo cus I can’t find an erase command. Then I have to reprogram Circle
again.


#11

Omg. This turtle thing is fun. I was just messing around, and made the
backward command.

to backward
right 180
end

That was easy. In ruby, it was much more complicated to tell it new
words. I made Ruby reconize my sandwich as Ham Turkey Cheese, and that
took 10 minutes. lol.


#12

Omg again. I wanted to make a cylender type thing, so I made the word
Gibberish. Why? I don’t know. But the programming was

to gibberish
repeat 10 [forward 10+1 circle]
end

And it made a sort of spirally cylinder thing. TYVM man. This is
awesome. Makes me feel like I’m actually doing something.


#13

Pilot Gnome. I was messing around, trying to make the circle command.
And when I made one that sorta worked, but it was 400 degrees long, I
tried to draw cherries. And then it looked like a gnome hat with
goggles. So I figured I’d go the whole way and make a Gnome with a pair
of Flight Goggles.


#14

Joe W. wrote:

Omg again. I wanted to make a cylender type thing, so I made the word
Gibberish. Why? I don’t know. But the programming was

to gibberish
repeat 10 [forward 10+1 circle]
end

And it made a sort of spirally cylinder thing. TYVM man. This is
awesome. Makes me feel like I’m actually doing something.

And if you look at it the right way, it looks almost 3-d. With some
shading and coloring, it would look 3-d. But I dont know how to do any
of that with Logo.


#15

unknown wrote:

In message removed_email_address@domain.invalid, Joe
Wiltrout writes:

And is there a way to save words you make so that whenever I restart
Logo, it keeps them and I don’t have to tell it what they mean again? I
keep trying to draw a Pilot Gnome, but everytime I mess it up, I restart
Logo cus I can’t find an erase command. Then I have to reprogram Circle
again.

Try a Logo newsgroup. There’s ways to do it in Ruby. I wouldn’t dream
of trying to explain Logo.

-s

Good idea. Now I’m going solo trying to create fun commands that make
cool shapes.


#16

On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 04:52:57AM +0900, Joe W. wrote:

Tyvm. I will try this imediately. When (If, but most likely I will) make
something worth telling people about, I shall tell you right after I
tell my friend who codes Java. And thank you for not telling me to go
and write hello world! thousands of times. And if there is ever a time
when I do make a good game that people would pay to play, or pay to get
exclusive features or something like that, you will get everything free.
Course that won’t be for awhile.

Nobody told you, in this discussion, to write hello world thousands of
times. I wonder why you keep saying that.


#17

In message removed_email_address@domain.invalid, Joe
Wiltrout writes:

And is there a way to save words you make so that whenever I restart
Logo, it keeps them and I don’t have to tell it what they mean again? I
keep trying to draw a Pilot Gnome, but everytime I mess it up, I restart
Logo cus I can’t find an erase command. Then I have to reprogram Circle
again.

Try a Logo newsgroup. There’s ways to do it in Ruby. I wouldn’t dream
of trying to explain Logo.

-s


#18

Chad P. wrote:

On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 06:12:21AM +0900, Joe W. wrote:

awesome. Makes me feel like I’m actually doing something.

And if you look at it the right way, it looks almost 3-d. With some
shading and coloring, it would look 3-d. But I dont know how to do any
of that with Logo.

I like UCBLogo quite a bit. I like Brian Harvey’s textbook series that
uses Logo as the example language. On the other hand, I’m on the Ruby
list to discuss Ruby. You might want to take your blow-by-blow
explanation of what you’re doing to a Logo mailing list.

Problem is, all the Logo forums I could find were on Yahoo. I tried to
get on Yahoo, and it wouldnt let me post unless I configured my accoutn
settings. So I tried to do that, and gave me a 999 error or something
like that. So I’m stuck here, fighting off wild animals with stupid
comments for teeth, until yahoo stops being annoying.


#19

On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 06:12:21AM +0900, Joe W. wrote:

awesome. Makes me feel like I’m actually doing something.

And if you look at it the right way, it looks almost 3-d. With some
shading and coloring, it would look 3-d. But I dont know how to do any
of that with Logo.

I like UCBLogo quite a bit. I like Brian Harvey’s textbook series that
uses Logo as the example language. On the other hand, I’m on the Ruby
list to discuss Ruby. You might want to take your blow-by-blow
explanation of what you’re doing to a Logo mailing list.


#20

Chad P. wrote:

On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 04:52:57AM +0900, Joe W. wrote:

Tyvm. I will try this imediately. When (If, but most likely I will) make
something worth telling people about, I shall tell you right after I
tell my friend who codes Java. And thank you for not telling me to go
and write hello world! thousands of times. And if there is ever a time
when I do make a good game that people would pay to play, or pay to get
exclusive features or something like that, you will get everything free.
Course that won’t be for awhile.

Nobody told you, in this discussion, to write hello world thousands of
times. I wonder why you keep saying that.

They told me in other discussions. Many of the multiple Re: I need
serious help threads. But this converstation was between me and Aur. So
if you could, ya know, F*** OFF! I would appreciate it.