Did DHH have a suit on?

So I’m wondering about the origin of “ActiveRecord” and “ActionPack” and
the like in Rails.

I’ve always thought that perhaps DHH found himself in a suit one day
(maybe he had to attend a friend’s wedding or something), and as long as
he had the suit on, decided to lapse into a one of the barely lucid
frenzies that Marketing people are prone to when naming something.

Then today I was reading about Flex on Rails, and find that Flex is
based on something called “ActiveScript”.

This has me wondering, is there some well-spring of this “Active”
nonsense somewhere in the annals of development that I happened to have
missed? Maybe it came from Java land or something (I was lost in C and
C++ land during the entire decade of the 90’s, so I totally missed all
that Java stuff).

So, help me out. Why all this “Active” stuff in the naming of present
day development environments?

thanks,
jp

Start you journey here:

http://martinfowler.com/eaaCatalog/activeRecord.html

On Dec 31, 10:50 pm, Jeff P. [email protected]

Do you have a better suggestion?

activestate.com ?
activerain.com ?
ActionScript for OSX

Many sites/technologies relating to “active”. Never heard of any pattern
or
whatnot that really pre-dated rails that might influence the choice.

On 12/31/07, Ryan B. [email protected] wrote:

Do you have a better suggestion?


Nathaniel Steven Henry Brown
604-724-6624

On Dec 31, 2007 8:50 PM, Jeff P.
[email protected] wrote:

Then today I was reading about Flex on Rails, and find that Flex is
based on something called “ActiveScript”.

Uh, actually, it’s “ActionScript” :slight_smile:

FWIW,

Hassan S. ------------------------ [email protected]

Nathaniel B. wrote:

activestate.com http://activestate.com ?
activerain.com http://activerain.com ?
ActionScript for OSX

Many sites/technologies relating to “active”. Never heard of any
pattern or whatnot that really pre-dated rails that might influence
the choice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_record_pattern

Lionel

Nicholas H. wrote:

Start you journey here:

http://martinfowler.com/eaaCatalog/activeRecord.html

On Dec 31, 10:50 pm, Jeff P. [email protected]

OK, from what I see in the replies so far, it would seem that
ActiveRecord owes its name to the design pattern of the same name, so
perhaps it was not DHH who found himself in a suit one day.

Did most of the other many uses of the root word “action” in naming
things in development environments arise from a contagion of this one
pattern name?

This only seems odd to me based on my belief that most engineers would
have named “ActionController” simply “Controller” or “ControllerBase”.
Perhaps during the twenty plus years I’ve been an Engineer the
self-imposed class structure separating Engineers and “Marketing people”
has narrowed. Seems to me that “marketing guy-ish” naming of things has
made its way much deeper into the strata of development than it once
did. Maybe this is a side effect of the increasing number of
“Startups”, with Coders running their own small companies and wearing
many hats.

Not even vaguely important. Just an idle curiosity that traipsed across
my consciousness. Thanks for indulging me.

cheers,
jp

On Jan 1, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Jeff P. wrote:

Perhaps during the twenty plus years I’ve been an Engineer the
self-imposed class structure separating Engineers and “Marketing
people”
has narrowed.

20 years ago I’ll bet you called yourself a programmer. But engineer
is more marketable.

ActiveX started it all, I think.

///ark

On Jan 1, 2008 12:58 PM, George B. [email protected] wrote:

is more marketable.
Twenty years ago, my IBM business card carried the title of “Smalltalk
Guru”


Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

George B. wrote:

On Jan 1, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Jeff P. wrote:

Perhaps during the twenty plus years I’ve been an Engineer the
self-imposed class structure separating Engineers and “Marketing
people”
has narrowed.

20 years ago I’ll bet you called yourself a programmer. But engineer
is more marketable.

Actually, 20 years ago I called myself an Electrical Engineer, but
Software Engineer is more marketable. :wink:

jp

On Jan 1, 2008 1:44 PM, Rick DeNatale [email protected] wrote:

20 years ago I’ll bet you called yourself a programmer. But engineer
is more marketable.

Twenty years ago, my IBM business card carried the title of “Smalltalk Guru”

Actually, I just realized that I misremembered.

My business card said “Smalltalk Wizard”.

My old friend the late great David N. Smith had the IBM business card
which said “Smalltalk Guru”.

I can’t honestly recall which of us had the first of these.


Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

On Jan 2, 2008 4:28 AM, George B. [email protected] wrote:

is more marketable.

I call myself a programmer. My mental image of an engineer is someone in
a
hard hat with a spanner in their hand.


Ryan B.
http://www.frozenplague.net
Feel free to add me to MSN and/or GTalk as this email.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:05:50 +0100, Jeff P. wrote:

20 years ago I’ll bet you called yourself a programmer. But engineer
is more marketable.

Actually, 20 years ago I called myself an Electrical Engineer, but
Software Engineer is more marketable. :wink:

20 years ago, I called myself a sophomore! ::gdr::


Jay L. |
Boston, MA | My character doesn’t like it when they
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit.
http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer

On Jan 1, 2:42 pm, “Ryan B.” [email protected] wrote:

I call myself a programmer. My mental image of an engineer is someone in a
hard hat with a spanner in their hand.

Yeah, when people asked what my major was, I’d say “Computer (wooo-ooo
woooooo) Engineer” (I hope I spelled the sound a locomotive horn makes
right.)

///ark

I suspect ActionController is aptly name as it executes actions; i.e.
the params passed to a controller are :controller => Person, :action
=> index.

On Jan 1, 12:30 pm, Jeff P. [email protected]

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:30:53 +0100, Jeff P. wrote:

OK, from what I see in the replies so far, it would seem that
ActiveRecord owes its name to the design pattern of the same name, so
perhaps it was not DHH who found himself in a suit one day.

Did most of the other many uses of the root word “action” in naming
things in development environments arise from a contagion of this one
pattern name?

I remember noticing this, and I remember reading somewhere (on the
Internet, so it must be true) that it’s something of a coincidence.

ActiveRecord, as others have said, is based on the ActiveRecord pattern.

ActionPack (which I suspect, with no evidence, may have been originally
just one thing and then later split into ActionController and
ActionView)
is, well, a pack of routines that deal with actions (as in MVC
controller
actions).

Ditto ActionWebService. And I imagine, at that point, you just start
naming everything with A.

We do go through fun naming trends, memes and snowclones in programming.
There was a while at AOL where everything was this-man and that-man
(short
for manager); naturally this ended up at RAINMAN. Microsoft, as someone
else pointed out, went both ActiveCrazy and X-Crazy for a while with
ActiveX. Apple had MacEverything. UNIX has all sorts of memes and
snowclones: recursive acronyms, animals, etc.

When I was fighting spam, we already had SpamJammer, and needed a server
to
cancel the accounts of spammers; SpamHammer was a natural. Then we
needed
something to deal with large floods, so of course that beget SpamDammer.
Then I started working on a DSL (though I’d never heard the term)
specifically for the postmaster group. Naturally, it had to be called
SpamGrammar.

Naming stuff is fun.


Jay L. |
Boston, MA | My character doesn’t like it when they
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit.
http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer

On Jan 1, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Jay L. wrote:

We do go through fun naming trends, memes and snowclones in
programming.

Witness Ruby plugins:

with_derivative
simply_repetitive
acts_as_cliche

Apple had MacEverything.

iThink they’ve moved on from that.

-faisal

20 years ago I was 1 month old.


Ryan B.
http://www.frozenplague.net
Feel free to add me to MSN and/or GTalk as this email.

Oops, seems I learned from a different source than you…
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3642221

There is an actionScript too though! :slight_smile:

On 1/1/08, Hassan S. [email protected] wrote:

FWIW,

Hassan S. ------------------------ [email protected]


Nathaniel Steven Henry Brown
604-724-6624

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