Beginning Questions

Dear all,

I am new to rails and I am considering it for a project.
What I would like to know (and I couldn’t straightforwardly find an
answer to) is:

  • is it possible to develop commercial web applications in which you
    can pack a whole web app and send it to a client without disclosing
    the source?
  • is there any library of existing components already implemented?
  • which solutions are provided as development environments for major
    platforms (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)?

Cheers,


Paulo Jorge Matos - pocm at soton.ac.uk
http://www.personal.soton.ac.uk/pocm
PhD Student @ ECS
University of Southampton, UK
Sponsor ECS runners - Action against Hunger:
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On Jun 2, 10:09 pm, “Paulo J. Matos” [email protected] wrote:

Dear all,

I am new to rails and I am considering it for a project.
What I would like to know (and I couldn’t straightforwardly find an
answer to) is:

  • is it possible to develop commercial web applications in which you
    can pack a whole web app and send it to a client without disclosing
    the source?
    No
  • is there any library of existing components already implemented?

Depends what you mean by components.

  • which solutions are provided as development environments for major
    platforms (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)?

Some people like IDEs like Aptana or Netbeans. On the Mac a lot of
people use textmate (which is more of an editor with knobs on (and
awesome in my opinion))

Fred

  • is it possible to develop commercial web applications in which you
    can pack a whole web app and send it to a client without disclosing
    the source?

No, and that’s not the best model anyway.

The best model is you own the keys to a web server you chose. (This
makes
deploying very easy, and you don’t need to productize your deployment
path.)

Then you charge your client for logging into the site.

It’s the old “sell them a fish or teach them to fish” deal. Don’t teach
them if
you can charge per fish!

  • is there any library of existing components already implemented?

There is a huge number of gems and plugins available for every
conceivable
system, from GIS integration to naughty-word deletion.

  • which solutions are provided as development environments for major
    platforms (Linux, Mac OS X, Windows)?

Ruby runs, out-of-the-box, on all of those. Some have serious issues
with some
third-party libraries (installing MySQL on a Mac was a major issue for
us, for
example)!

On Jun 3, 6:53 am, “Paulo J. Matos” [email protected] wrote:

Thanks for your reply. I am interested in knowing more about what you
mean by ‘own the keys to a web server you choose’. You mean, selling
the software would not mean sending them the source but instead
deploying them in one of our own servers?

Yes. You sell access to the use of the software, not access to the
software itself. While you can write ruby standalone apps and
obfuscate the code, ruby is not a compiled language, but rather
interpreted. So the code remains viewable in a (somewhat, if
obfuscated) human readable format.

If you want corporate-speak for the bosses, read here:

Highlights:

  • Less support for installation and fixing your customer’s stupidity
    in setting things up, since that’s your responsibility
  • Easier to push out updates to your clients
  • Easier to fix client’s problems (because you can view what’s going
    on directly)
  • Your customers don’t need to buy servers, support staff, etc.
  • You never have to worry about people pirating your software (just
    standard web app security)
  • You save money (and them money) by pooling resources and sharing
    servers

The only thing I can think of that might not be a good fit for ASP are
critical business functions that people would not want someone else
having control over, or a highly “hands-on” company that caters to
only a few large clients that already have tons of resources in place.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Phlip [email protected] wrote:

Then you charge your client for logging into the site.

It’s the old “sell them a fish or teach them to fish” deal. Don’t teach them if
you can charge per fish!

Thanks for your reply. I am interested in knowing more about what you
mean by ‘own the keys to a web server you choose’. You mean, selling
the software would not mean sending them the source but instead
deploying them in one of our own servers?


Paulo Jorge Matos - pocm at soton.ac.uk
http://www.personal.soton.ac.uk/pocm
PhD Student @ ECS
University of Southampton, UK
Sponsor ECS runners - Action against Hunger:
http://www.justgiving.com/ecsrunslikethewind