Forum: Ruby FreeRIDE - Way too many warnings

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71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-20 19:32
Whenever I start FreeRIDE I get a ton of warnings. It takes a long time
to start as well, probably because it is I/O bound to the console
window.

Suggestions?

Jonathan

2.so: warning: already initialized constant FOLDINGLIST_ROOT_BOXES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant FOLDINGLIST_NORMAL
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LOOKUPTIMER
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_HEADER_CHANGE
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LAST
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_EXTENDEDSELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_SINGLESELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_BROWSESELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_MULTIPLESELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_AUTOSELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_SHOWS_LINES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_SHOWS_BOXES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_ROOT_BOXES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_NORMAL
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LOOKUPTIMER
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LAST
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant DIRLIST_SHOWFILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant DIRLIST_SHOWHIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant DIRLIST_NO_OWN_ASSOC
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_REFRESHTIMER
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SHOW_FILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_HIDE_FILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_TOGGLE_FILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SHOW_HIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_HIDE_HIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_TOGGLE_HIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SET_PATTERN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SORT_REVERSE
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SORT_CASE
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_REFRESH
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LAST
6329e9ce6b0c23f8bcf64a6c46a2bb81?d=identicon&s=25 matt (Guest)
on 2007-01-20 20:05
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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
> Whenever I start FreeRIDE I get a ton of warnings. It takes a long
> time
> to start as well, probably because it is I/O bound to the console
> window.
>
> Suggestions?

Yes 2 of them:
1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-20 21:51
matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
>
> Yes 2 of them:
> 1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
> 2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.

You mind telling me who the fx ruby people are and how to contact them?

All I have is the whatever came with the base installation at
www.ruby-lang.org, so I assumed it was something core to the language.
6329e9ce6b0c23f8bcf64a6c46a2bb81?d=identicon&s=25 matt (Guest)
on 2007-01-20 22:15
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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 05:51 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> www.ruby-lang.org, so I assumed it was something core to the language.
>

I must be in a good mood.  Didn't even get laid last night....

http://www.google.com/search?q=fxruby&ie=utf-8&oe=...


returned this in position numero uno:
http://www.fxruby.org/


And this in numero treso:
http://rubyforge.org/projects/fxruby/
0276239ca57aee241d4b41379587fa20?d=identicon&s=25 Lyle Johnson (Guest)
on 2007-01-20 22:43
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On 1/20/07, matt <matt@kettlewell.net> wrote:

> I must be in a good mood.  Didn't even get laid last night....
>
> 
http://www.google.com/search?q=fxruby&ie=utf-8&oe=...
>
> returned this in position numero uno:
> http://www.fxruby.org/

What is this "Google," and why have you been keeping it a secret from
the rest of us?
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-21 00:43
matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
>> Whenever I start FreeRIDE I get a ton of warnings. It takes a long
>> time
>> to start as well, probably because it is I/O bound to the console
>> window.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> Yes 2 of them:
> 1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
> 2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.

They say its Ruby's fault for putting the bug in v1.8.5 and FreeRide's
fault for not upgrading to FX Ruby v1.6. Though I suppose they share
part of the blame for not making backwards compatible.

Now what?

Jonathan
6329e9ce6b0c23f8bcf64a6c46a2bb81?d=identicon&s=25 matt (Guest)
on 2007-01-21 00:55
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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 08:43 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> > 1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
> > 2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.
>
> They say its Ruby's fault for putting the bug in v1.8.5 and FreeRide's
> fault for not upgrading to FX Ruby v1.6. Though I suppose they share
> part of the blame for not making backwards compatible.
>
> Now what?
>
> Jonathan
>

1. Fix the bug in ruby and submit patch
2. fix FreeRides dependency to use a newer version of FXRuby
or
3. Find another IDE.

try VI or [X]Emacs or pico or notepad or word or works or OpenOffice
or...

ohh you want an all in one... try Eclipse or RadRails  I've never used
either of them, but they (among others) have gotten good reviews.

Matt
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-21 01:13
matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 05:51 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
>> www.ruby-lang.org, so I assumed it was something core to the language.
>>
>
> I must be in a good mood.  Didn't even get laid last night....
>
> 
http://www.google.com/search?q=fxruby&ie=utf-8&oe=...
>
>
> returned this in position numero uno:
> http://www.fxruby.org/
>
>
> And this in numero treso:
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/fxruby/

Gee thanks for being ever so helpful. It was so nice of you to almost
point out which of the 148,000 pages returned by google the FX Ruby
developers hang out on. I'm not even annoyed that you didn't mention
item 4, which actually had the correct mailing list.

And now I realize how hard it would have been to just go ahead and give
me the right URL when you originally suggested I contact them. For
crying out loud, you might have had to actually think about your
response to my question.

You see, I have been ever so spoiled by hanging out in the Microsoft
forums. I'm used to people answering questions with useful information
and links in case I want to know more.

Jonathan
6329e9ce6b0c23f8bcf64a6c46a2bb81?d=identicon&s=25 matt (Guest)
on 2007-01-21 01:26
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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 09:13 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> > returned this in position numero uno:
>
>
Yes, but I saved you from having to type "www.google.com" and then find
a text box to type in "fxruby" and then click submit.

See how many keystrokes I just saved you from typing?  Not to mention
that your wrists are now at a reduced risk of developing carpal tunnel.

And to think that for a moment I thought you were implying that I was
self-serving and arrogant.
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-21 02:14
> 1. Fix the bug in ruby and submit patch
> 2. fix FreeRides dependency to use a newer version of FXRuby
> or
> 3. Find another IDE.
>
> try VI or [X]Emacs or pico or notepad or word or works or OpenOffice
> or...
>
> ohh you want an all in one... try Eclipse or RadRails  I've never used
> either of them, but they (among others) have gotten good reviews.
>
> Matt

Let me get this straight. You are telling a newbie with one day of
experience that if I need to track down and fix a bug in the core of the
language itself.

Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to
submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?

Jonathan
3afd3e5e05dc9310c89aa5762cc8dd1d?d=identicon&s=25 Timothy Hunter (Guest)
on 2007-01-21 02:41
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Jonathan Allen wrote:
> Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to
> submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?
>
Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your
reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and
supportive of new Rubyists.

You don't have to report this problem. It is well-known. Search the
Google archives for earlier discussions if you're interested. I believe
this bug report
http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail...
addresses the problem.

Welcome to Ruby!
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-21 03:01
Timothy Hunter wrote:
> Jonathan Allen wrote:
>> Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to
>> submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?
>>
> Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your
> reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and
> supportive of new Rubyists.
>
> You don't have to report this problem. It is well-known. Search the
> Google archives for earlier discussions if you're interested. I believe
> this bug report
> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail...
> addresses the problem.
>
> Welcome to Ruby!

Thanks, I really appreciate that. It is so hard to find ones way around
a new community, especially when you run into problems right from the
start.

Do you know if anyone has of list of which components are still
supported and which are not?

If I'm ever going to use Ruby in production, knowing what stuff has
already reached end of life is vital. And apparently I cannot blindly
trust the main Ruby distribution to be up to date.

Jonathan
6329e9ce6b0c23f8bcf64a6c46a2bb81?d=identicon&s=25 matt (Guest)
on 2007-01-21 04:11
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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 10:41 +0900, Timothy Hunter wrote:
> this bug report
> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail...
> addresses the problem.
>
> Welcome to Ruby!
>

There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either). Remember, I did his
homework for him, and presented several options of how to proceed.  I
should be thanked for presenting the information on a hyper-text
platter.  And we should pity and feel sorry for those that have
forgotten (or never knew) how to do research on there own.  But don't
worry, over time, they can be trained.

Welcome to reality.
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-21 05:26
matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 10:41 +0900, Timothy Hunter wrote:
>> this bug report
>> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail...
>> addresses the problem.
>>
>> Welcome to Ruby!
>>
>
> There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
> sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either). Remember, I did his
> homework for him, and presented several options of how to proceed.  I
> should be thanked for presenting the information on a hyper-text
> platter.  And we should pity and feel sorry for those that have
> forgotten (or never knew) how to do research on there own.  But don't
> worry, over time, they can be trained.
>
> Welcome to reality.

Tell me something, why do you bother?

I mean, clearly the only "help" you are willing to offer to people like
me is to tell us how do google searches. So why not just ignore the
question and let someone else field the answer?

And does it really bother you that much that I was unable to find the
information on my own? Is not the purpose of this forum for helping
people use Ruby? 'Cause if its not, let me know and I will go elsewhere.

From where I stand, all you are doing is wasting both my time and yours.
Is you faith in the all mighty search engine really worth alienating a
new user?

Jonathan
51fc74a8f0d61e54f1742e9765e91d82?d=identicon&s=25 Br Willi (bwilli)
on 2007-01-21 10:24
matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 10:41 +0900, Timothy Hunter wrote:
>> this bug report
>> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail...
>> addresses the problem.
>>
>> Welcome to Ruby!
>>
>
> There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
> sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either). Remember, I did his
> homework for him, and presented several options of how to proceed.  I
> should be thanked for presenting the information on a hyper-text
> platter.  And we should pity and feel sorry for those that have
> forgotten (or never knew) how to do research on there own.  But don't
> worry, over time, they can be trained.
>
> Welcome to reality.

I pity those that have forgotten (or never knew) the difference between
"there", "their", and "they're".
Bfcc9047bea80035a936648dc1912ec4?d=identicon&s=25 Gavin Sinclair (Guest)
on 2007-01-21 13:35
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On Jan 21, 2:10 pm, matt <m...@kettlewell.net> wrote:
>
> > Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your
> > reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and
> > supportive of new Rubyists.
>
> There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
> sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either).

I offer my condolences too, Johnathan.  Statistically, you're very
likely to get a nicer response next time :)

Cheers,
Gavin
3afd3e5e05dc9310c89aa5762cc8dd1d?d=identicon&s=25 Timothy Hunter (Guest)
on 2007-01-21 16:01
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Jonathan Allen wrote:
>> supportive of new Rubyists.
> Thanks, I really appreciate that. It is so hard to find ones way around
> Jonathan
>
>
To the best of my knowledge all the components in the 1.8.5 one-click
installer are completely supported. The problem you've encountered is
known. Apparently it is currently considered as a problem in Ruby
itself, not FreeRIDE. I see from the bug report that it is currently
assigned to Ruby's inventor, Matz.

Typically the one-click installer goes through many pre-release versions
before the final. When it is next released you'll have plenty of
opportunity to test the components and offer feedback. Instead of blind
trust you'll have your own hands-on evaluation, and the rest of the
community will benefit from your work.
Ff7c333574fd4cd19f5925f6c71abda5?d=identicon&s=25 Johan Veenstra (Guest)
on 2007-01-22 17:30
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On 1/21/07, Jonathan Allen <grauenwolf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tell me something, why do you bother?
>
> I mean, clearly the only "help" you are willing to offer to people like
> me is to tell us how do google searches. So why not just ignore the
> question and let someone else field the answer?


The answer to that is quite simple, the only help you needed was knowing
who
to ask 'the fx ruby people'  and how to find them. Personally I think I
think the help was presented in a light hearted manner, but feel free to
disagree.

Time is precious to each and every one of us, so doing some research
before
asking questions, is more than just a courtesy. Do your reseach, ask
clear
questions and most of the time your question gets answered.

Since Matt answered your second question, he really must have been in a
good
mood.

Johan Veenstra
52a177e9dbd3e614825aabc4e45f8cd6?d=identicon&s=25 Mark Volkmann (Guest)
on 2007-01-22 18:24
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On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Johan Veenstra wrote:

>
> asking questions, is more than just a courtesy. Do your reseach,
> ask clear
> questions and most of the time your question gets answered.
>
> Since Matt answered your second question, he really must have been
> in a good
> mood.

We really shouldn't get into long threads discussing who was polite
and who wasn't. Despite that, I can't resist jumping to the posters
defense here and saying that I didn't find Matt's replies "light
hearted" at all. I found them to be on the rude side.
C475cffda1800fbc3f3af17bc10c220f?d=identicon&s=25 Curt Hibbs (Guest)
on 2007-01-22 18:51
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On 1/21/07, Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@gmail.com> wrote:
> I offer my condolences too, Johnathan.  Statistically, you're very
> likely to get a nicer response next time :)


+1
C475cffda1800fbc3f3af17bc10c220f?d=identicon&s=25 Curt Hibbs (Guest)
on 2007-01-22 18:51
(Received via mailing list)
On 1/22/07, Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkmann@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> me is to tell us how do google searches. So why not just ignore the
> >
> We really shouldn't get into long threads discussing who was polite
> and who wasn't. Despite that, I can't resist jumping to the posters
> defense here and saying that I didn't find Matt's replies "light
> hearted" at all. I found them to be on the rude side.


+1 ... again!
7aa3c32f034122ff929be64f5de237e7?d=identicon&s=25 Luciano Ramalho (Guest)
on 2007-01-22 18:53
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Most car accidents involving two vehicles are the fault of both drivers.

Same here. One asked a question that Google could easily answer, and
the other told him so, and thus offended him.

People who are somewhat new to FLOSS communities sometimes don't even
think about googling for answers, because the information they need
would be private in a proprietary platform. For instance, it is very
hard to discover who is responsible for a certain component of
Microsoft Visual Studio. And even if you do find out, they are usually
not accessible to an outsider. So it's easy to understand why the
whole thread started.

Welcome to Ruby and Free/Libre/OpenSource Software in general, Jonathan!

Cheers,

Luciano
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-22 22:27
> People who are somewhat new to FLOSS communities sometimes don't even
> think about googling for answers, because the information they need
> would be private in a proprietary platform.

Luciano, do you have any idea how rude and arrogant you are being right
now?

People coming from the MS world know damn well how to use a search
engine. It is generally the first thing we try before going to the news
groups.

In fact, in this case the first thing I did was search google for the
error messages I was seeing.

> Time is precious to each and every one of us, so doing some research
> before
> asking questions, is more than just a courtesy. Do your reseach, ask
> clear
> questions and most of the time your question gets answered.

That is a complete load of bullshit. Matt alone has already spent more
time on saying how much of a lazy idiot I am than he did answering my
question. And that doesn't count the time all of you spend either
defending or critizing him.

All I asked was that Matt give me a complete answer. On any other
newsgroup, the person would have had the foresight to think "Maybe this
person would like to know HOW to contact the people I told him to talk
to." It isn't like it would have taken him any extra time.

As for research, I did it BEFORE I found this forum. Once I was in a
conversation with Matt, he was a going to help me through my problem.

******

I have something to say about the general attitude of the people on the
Microsoft groups compared to that of this list.

On a Microsoft lists, I have never heard someone say "Why didn't you
search of Google?" or "Didn't you read the manual?" There is a general
assumption that if the person is asking a question than obviously they
have tried the other routes and were unsuccessful.

Likewise, if I are going to help someone I spend the time to actually
help them. That often means I have do to a little bit of research on my
own in order to give a complete answer. If I don't have that time, then
I let someone else answer the question. Better no answer at all than a
useless one.

If you guys are serious about pulling people from the closed source
world, then some of your members really need to learn how to treat
people with kindess respect. Especially frustrated newbies who have not
yet learned where to look for information. And that includes that you
stop assuming they are too lazy or stupid to use google.

That said, I still don't have an answer to my question about how to fix
FreeRIDE.

Jonathan
94cc3e46cfc5bc361e409e2e884ecfa4?d=identicon&s=25 Drew Olson (dfg59)
on 2007-01-22 22:57
> That said, I still don't have an answer to my question about how to fix
> FreeRIDE.
>
> Jonathan

Here's an answer that might actually help you out :)

I encountered the same issues when first delving into ruby. However, I
soon discovered that the ruby one-click installer comes with a great
little light-weight editor called SciTE. Check the install directory
from the one-click, it should be there. Now, I wouldn't call it an "IDE"
but it's got syntax highlighting and is very light weight. I really
enjoy coding in it.

I also use RadRails (an Eclipse plugin) when doing Rails development on
windows. When I'm working with either Rails or Ruby on a mac, I turn to
TextMate (what else?). Hope this helps clear up some issues you're
having.

I, for one, feel that the response you received was ridiculous. I
started learning ruby and frequenting these boards about 6 months ago
and the warm reception I received as a nuby was one of the main things
that cause me to be so drawn to the language.

There may be a few people that are degrading the quality of these
boards, but as said previously, you are very likely to get a nice,
helpful response. Don't give up on ruby, it's a great language and a
wonderful community (in my experience).

-Drew
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-23 00:01
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I appreciate your help, and I'm sure I'll forget this incident in short
order. However, there is one thing that really troubles me over the
long term.

It isn't that FreeRIDE and the other tool were being affected by bugs
in Ruby, that can be fixed. My problem is that unsupported software is
being shipped in the main distribution and the general attitude it "Oh
well, just try XXX".

This time it was just a basic IDE, but what about next time? It seems
to me that there is a really good chance that I am going to end up
developming something in Ruby 1.8.5, only to find out that one of the
libraries I rely on is not supported and the new version isn't
backwards compatible.

Will it really happen? Probably not. But the impression that it could,
and that Ruby doesn't have good oversight over it is distributing, make
me really nervious.

Jonathan
E7559e558ececa67c40f452483b9ac8c?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2007-01-23 00:29
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On Jan 22, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Grauenwolf@gmail.com wrote:
> It isn't that FreeRIDE and the other tool were being affected by bugs
> in Ruby, that can be fixed. My problem is that unsupported software is
> being shipped in the main distribution and the general attitude it "Oh
> well, just try XXX".

The one-click installer isn't the 'main distribution' for Ruby. It
is an independent project put together by a volunteer.  Perhaps it meets
your needs, perhaps not, but I don't think it would be accurate to
view it
as the 'main distribution' of Ruby.

I'm also not sure that you should be expecting 'supported' software
in this case.  That usually implies you are purchasing some sort of
service plan from a vendor of some sort.  Sure, the 'community' might
be supporting it but that isn't the same thing as some sort of
contracted
support.

Maybe I'm reading too much into your comments but it seems like you have
some unfounded expectations going into this endeavor.  That is a good
way to get disappointed.

Gary Wright
71c1027d2483fe242b0affc5e59df647?d=identicon&s=25 Jonathan Allen (grauenwolf)
on 2007-01-23 01:35
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> > The one-click installer isn't the 'main distribution' for Ruby. It
> is an independent project put together by a volunteer.

Then Ruby has a serious perception issue it needs to be addressed. The
one-click installer is the very first entry listed under "Windows", is
described as "the best option for you", and has no mention that some of
the components are no longer being maintained.

> Maybe I'm reading too much into your comments but it seems like you have
> some unfounded expectations going into this endeavor.  That is a good
> way to get disappointed.

No, you are not reading too much into it. And the deeper I dig into
this, the more I'm disappointed.

In order to use tech like Ruby in a production setting, I need to know
that the software is "supported". To me that means that someone is
still comitted to maintaining the product and that when something goes
wrong, someone is willing to fix it.

That isn't the case with FX Ruby 1.2, even though it is only a couple
of years old. And I suspect there is some serious problems with the FX
Ruby team's philosophy, as it appears that it isn't an easy upgrade to
the current version. Of course, it may be the FreeRIDE team which has
the problem, I don't know.

If you guys want to be taken seriously by the business world, there is
a certain level of quality that needs to be reached. That includes
having reasonable control over the distributions on your own home page
and clear indication about what is being maintained and what isn't.

Now maybe that isn't your goal, which is fine. There is no shame in
targeting hobbyists. But the quality of work and attention to detail in
other areas suggests otherwise.

Jonathan
E7559e558ececa67c40f452483b9ac8c?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2007-01-23 05:48
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On Jan 22, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Grauenwolf@gmail.com wrote:

> If you guys want to be taken seriously by the business world, there is
> a certain level of quality that needs to be reached. That includes
> having reasonable control over the distributions on your own home page
> and clear indication about what is being maintained and what isn't.
>

I think you are imagining an organization that doesn't exist with
respect to Ruby.  The www.ruby-lang.org website is maintained entirely
by volunteers from the Ruby community. There is no Ruby Foundation
analogous to the Apache Software Foundation or the Mozilla Foundation
nor is their a commercial organization like Red Hat.

Maybe there should be.  But until then, the tone of your comments seems
somewhat untoward.

Gary Wright
0ab5dce3e32b6cafa5ba92c2c0509947?d=identicon&s=25 Michael T. Richter (Guest)
on 2007-01-23 08:04
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On Sun, 2007-21-01 at 13:26 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:

> Tell me something, why do you bother?



> I mean, clearly the only "help" you are willing to offer to people like
> me is to tell us how do google searches. So why not just ignore the
> question and let someone else field the answer?


How else is he supposed to prove that his Pretendy-Fun-Time e-penis is
bigger than yours?

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