Forum: Ruby Re: Wiki recommendations? (Reviving the old Instiki?)

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Phil Tomson (Guest)
on 2006-06-14 07:25
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On 6/13/06, Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Jim Weirich wrote:
>
> > Both RuWiki and Instiki are good choices for an easy to setup wiki.
>
> Instiki is no longer easy to set up, it's now a long troublesome
> installation that I wasn't able to make work.
>

It's unfortunate.  Instiki used to be a 'no-brainer' to setup.  It may
not have been the most feature-ful wiki out there, but for internal
and personal use it was great.  Now I think they've built it on Rails
and I think that seems to be overkill - at any rate, it's no longer so
easy to setup and use.

You might want to try to find an older version of Instiki that isn't
based on Rails.  I wonder if the older, pre-Rails Instiki could be
revived and maintained as a completely seperate project.

Phil
Dave Burt (Guest)
on 2006-06-14 08:02
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Phil Tomson wrote:
> not have been the most feature-ful wiki out there, but for internal
> and personal use it was great.  Now I think they've built it on Rails
> and I think that seems to be overkill - at any rate, it's no longer so
> easy to setup and use.
>
> You might want to try to find an older version of Instiki that isn't
> based on Rails.  I wonder if the older, pre-Rails Instiki could be
> revived and maintained as a completely seperate project.

You can get pre-Rails Instiki (0.9.2) using RubyGems:

gem install instiki --version "< 0.10"

I'm sure that branch could be revived and maintained separately, but
you'd need someone to take it on.

Cheers,
Dave
Leslie Viljoen (Guest)
on 2006-06-14 14:22
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On 6/14/06, Dave Burt <dave@burt.id.au> wrote:
> Phil Tomson wrote:
> > On 6/13/06, Matt Lawrence <matt@technoronin.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, Jim Weirich wrote:
> >>
> >> > Both RuWiki and Instiki are good choices for an easy to setup wiki.
> >>
> >> Instiki is no longer easy to set up, it's now a long troublesome
> >> installation that I wasn't able to make work.

That's odd, I don't remember any problems and I am running 0.10.2. I
just did a gem install AFAIR. This was one of the reasons I migrated
all my wikis to Instiki.
Assaph Mehr (Guest)
on 2006-06-14 15:17
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> > >> Instiki is no longer easy to set up, it's now a long troublesome
> > >> installation that I wasn't able to make work.
>
> That's odd, I don't remember any problems and I am running 0.10.2. I
> just did a gem install AFAIR. This was one of the reasons I migrated
> all my wikis to Instiki.

0.10.x has upgraded to rails for the view/controller part - it still
does not use ActiveRecord but used Madeleine. The switch to AR came in
0.11, which is why it hasn't been gemified.
Reid Thompson (Guest)
on 2006-06-14 16:01
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Phil Tomson wrote:
> not have been the most feature-ful wiki out there, but for internal
> and personal use it was great.  Now I think they've built it on Rails
> and I think that seems to be overkill - at any rate, it's no longer so
> easy to setup and use.
>
> You might want to try to find an older version of Instiki that isn't
> based on Rails.  I wonder if the older, pre-Rails Instiki could be
> revived and maintained as a completely seperate project.
>
> Phil
>
for personal use see http://www.tiddlywiki.com/  and it's derivatives/
Phil Tomson (Guest)
on 2006-06-15 05:52
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On 6/14/06, Assaph Mehr <assaph@gmail.com> wrote:
>
What were the issues with Madeleine which caused it to be replaced with
AR?

Phil
Assaph Mehr (Guest)
on 2006-06-15 06:23
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> What were the issues with Madeleine which caused it to be replaced with AR?

Speaking from personal perspective, it's was a general instability
especially on Windows. I think the new madeleine releases aim to fix
those. There was also a very wierd bug, where zipped snapshot files -
generated with Ruby zlib bindings - sometimes could not be opened with
zlib based libraries, but will be openable with other zip utilities.
It was a rare hapenning and am not sure where the blame lies, but it
was annpying none the less.

Regardless of the above, I think the major drive was to make Instiki
more of a rails-app in general, somewhat scrificing the gem releases
until it's sorted out. However the project seems to have halted on new
features (maintainers busy like the rest of us I imagine), so this was
left as is.

Please do not take the above as bad critiques of those pieces of
software. As a maintainer of FOSS projects myself, I know how hard it
is to support them over time. The above two are both fine examples of
software in general.
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