Forum: Typo Re: Typo current nightlies

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Edd97b81c75103573d48beb8755e2619?d=identicon&s=25 Kester Dobson (kester)
on 2006-05-16 09:59
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Hello!

First actual e-mail response to a mailing list, ever, fingers crossed.

The proxy issue was my main purpose for doing this, couldn't get
access to it from work - and suspect many people are in the same
situation. Additionally downloading, reading up on and operating a SVN
client seems a little much overhead for trying out the current trunk.

My motives are to provide the tarballed sources, but I can understand
how the ads made it look - I have now removed them.

Cheers
2763d87b1843f2d116e006b6039133a3?d=identicon&s=25 Frédéric de Villamil (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 10:02
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Kester Dobson a écrit :
> how the ads made it look - I have now removed them.
>
> Cheers
>

I haven't the url of the source here, I only subscribed to the list a
few days ago.

Do you provide sources from svn co (with .svn files) or svn export ?

Most apps provide nightly builds for testers, and I believe it's a good
thing. It opens the testing process to much more people so we'll have
bugs detected faster.

Frederic
D6f24842b973de6cb75203c4c57dfbcb?d=identicon&s=25 Gary Shewan (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 12:18
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On 16 May 2006, at 04:08, Scott Bronson wrote:

> Just because YOU aren't interested an automated script, that
> doesn't mean that nobody is.

Never said that did I?  Put your capitals back in their box.

On 16 May 2006, at 08:55, Kester Dobson wrote:
>
> The proxy issue was my main purpose for doing this, couldn't get
> access to it from work - and suspect many people are in the same
> situation. Additionally downloading, reading up on and operating a SVN
> client seems a little much overhead for trying out the current trunk.

I thought your main purpose was because your host didn't support
subversion?

Some svn clients are exactly like FTP clients.  Are you mistaking
them with the command line client - which *is* tricky for beginners
to grasp?  Do you understand that I didn't see the point because even
though a host doesn't support svn ... you can still use svn on your
own machine?  It's much easier to use because instead of having to
grab the whole source every time you only grab the changed files.
You can easily get six changesets at a weekend.

Maybe I should have made it clearer that I didn't see the need for an
automated script if you're host doesn't support svn, because you
don't *need* your host to support svn.

I don't quite get the proxy thing.  I wouldn't have thought
typosphere was a regularly blocked site and if people are at work
then they're work ... not playing with typo code.

Er and just for the record that doesn't mean I hate proxies ;)

> My motives are to provide the tarballed sources, but I can understand
> how the ads made it look - I have now removed them.

To be honest if you're providing a service that could suck down
bandwidth I wouldn't blame you for putting ads up there.  That's not
a click farm ... that's an ad supported service.

Gary
Edd97b81c75103573d48beb8755e2619?d=identicon&s=25 Kester Dobson (kester)
on 2006-05-16 13:04
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Hi Gary,

Correct in that my host does not support SVN, but I also cannot access
the SVN repos for typo from work through our proxy (don't work 100% of
the time I'm in work). I would envisage people not constantly updating
their typo instances with new tarballs, but setting up a new typo
installation based on current (offers a lot more features than stable,
as you're probably well aware).

It took minimal effort on my part, and it may be of use to someone
which is all I want - extracting a tarball is easier than downloading
an SVN client etc etc.

Cheers.
D6f24842b973de6cb75203c4c57dfbcb?d=identicon&s=25 Gary Shewan (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 13:31
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On 16 May 2006, at 12:01, Kester Dobson wrote:

>  I would envisage people not constantly updating
> their typo instances with new tarballs, but setting up a new typo
> installation based on current (offers a lot more features than stable,
> as you're probably well aware).

True ... lot's of excitement as well :)  Probably not a good idea to
run with a live site unless you want real fun and excitement though.
Although r1053 is looking stable(ish) but trunk potentially breaks a
lot of themes unless they've been updated.

> It took minimal effort on my part, and it may be of use to someone
> which is all I want - extracting a tarball is easier than downloading
> an SVN client etc etc.

Good man, but I wouldn't worry if you wanted to put the ads back
up.   May as well see if you can make a few pennies for the bandwidth
for the work you did put in.   It's certainly not a click farm.

Gary
2763d87b1843f2d116e006b6039133a3?d=identicon&s=25 Frédéric de Villamil (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 13:31
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Gary Shewan a écrit :
> lot of themes unless they've been updated.
>
>> It took minimal effort on my part, and it may be of use to someone
>> which is all I want - extracting a tarball is easier than downloading
>> an SVN client etc etc.
>
> Good man, but I wouldn't worry if you wanted to put the ads back
> up.   May as well see if you can make a few pennies for the bandwidth
> for the work you did put in.   It's certainly not a click farm.
>
> Gary


I can mirror here too, if needed. I have unlimited bandwidth in the
limits of my 10mb line in a datacenter in France and I hardly use 10
gigabytes a day.
A52b0e1c5d982f2512a03c5dbfd033d6?d=identicon&s=25 Dick Davies (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 13:41
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On 16/05/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't quite get the proxy thing.  I wouldn't have thought
> typosphere was a regularly blocked site and if people are at work
> then they're work ... not playing with typo code.

I think the issue is some (stupid/broken) proxies that don't allow
the extra HTTP methods that webDAV (and therefore SVN)
connections use.

--
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Edd97b81c75103573d48beb8755e2619?d=identicon&s=25 Kester Dobson (kester)
on 2006-05-16 13:53
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On 5/16/06, Frédéric de Villamil <neuro@7el.net> wrote:

> I can mirror here too, if needed. I have unlimited bandwidth in the
> limits of my 10mb line in a datacenter in France and I hardly use 10
> gigabytes a day.

Thanks Frederic - appreciate it!

At the moment it's not issue as I think 1 or 2 of the files have been
downloaded and i have a 400 Gb/mo package. I think running the SVN
export instead of update will trim the size down a touch, too!
3fd97b8297aab3006334d746f7c10b3d?d=identicon&s=25 Scott Bronson (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 14:08
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On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 11:16 +0100, Gary Shewan wrote:
> On 16 May 2006, at 04:08, Scott Bronson wrote:
>
> > Just because YOU aren't interested an automated script, that
> > doesn't mean that nobody is.
>
> Never said that did I?  Put your capitals back in their box.

You said, "There's not really a need for an automated script."  (exact
quote).  If you weren't intending to speak for everybody, you probably
should have qualified your statement: "I don't see a need for an
automated script."  There's a pretty big difference between those two
statements y'know?

    - Scott
D6f24842b973de6cb75203c4c57dfbcb?d=identicon&s=25 Gary Shewan (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 14:24
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On 16 May 2006, at 13:06, Scott Bronson wrote:

> If you weren't intending to speak for everybody

Sorry my fault, I thought it was taken as read that I don't speak for
everybody - but only for me.  How about this for a disclaimer that I
attach to my posts?

[Let it be known that this is my own opinion.  I don't speak for
anybody.  I only speak for myself]

Would that help you out?

This is getting stupid...
2763d87b1843f2d116e006b6039133a3?d=identicon&s=25 Frédéric de Villamil (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 14:33
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Gary Shewan a écrit :
>
> Would that help you out?
>
> This is getting stupid...
>

Nightly builds are always useful for a testing purpose.

I'm thinking about setting up an automated testing environment for
_users_ that's to say people who are not aware of what a database and a
webserver are but are supposed to use Typo because it's designed for
them.

Many software have testing teams, and a test related mailing list as
well to discuss about what is a bug and what is not. I know Typo is not
as widely used as some other software, but I was surprised not to find
one when I started to play with typo.

Frederic (disclaimer: this is my own f*$@!#ing opinion about OSS dev and
only my opinion, so just take it as it is ;))
D6f24842b973de6cb75203c4c57dfbcb?d=identicon&s=25 Gary Shewan (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 14:52
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On 16 May 2006, at 13:29, Frédéric de Villamil wrote:

> I'm thinking about setting up an automated testing environment for
> _users_ that's to say people who are not aware of what a database
> and a webserver are but are supposed to use Typo because it's
> designed for them.
>
> Many software have testing teams, and a test related mailing list
> as well to discuss about what is a bug and what is not. I know Typo
> is not as widely used as some other software, but I was surprised
> not to find one when I started to play with typo.

So a list just for bug and testing discussion?  Is that not just
cutting a function of this list?  Which isn't normally as busy...

There's the Typo forums as well of course.

Now for the love of all that's holy that's not me slamming your idea
here Frédéric ;)  But if I normally find a bug I'll post it here, and
to just make it loud and plainly clear to anyone else I am *not*
saying not to go ahead and do it ... maybe the point will get across
sooner rather than later ;)

> Frederic (disclaimer: this is my own f*$@!#ing opinion about OSS
> dev and only my opinion, so just take it as it is ;))

Good man!  Stay safe ;)

Gary...

...who most definitely does not speak for anybody else and is
definitely not a commiter to Typo and only ever speaks about *his
own* opinion which is really easy to ignore.

;)
2763d87b1843f2d116e006b6039133a3?d=identicon&s=25 Frédéric de Villamil (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 15:01
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Gary Shewan a écrit :
>> not to find one when I started to play with typo.
> sooner rather than later ;)
> own* opinion which is really easy to ignore.
>
> ;)

Gary: no problem at all for me as soon as this list is used both for
discussing Typo matter AND bug reporting and isn't too busy.

Depends on how much trafic there is on the list actually. So my
apologies for my not-so-bad-but-not-accurate-at-this-time idea

Frederic
D6f24842b973de6cb75203c4c57dfbcb?d=identicon&s=25 Gary Shewan (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 15:17
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On 16 May 2006, at 13:59, Frédéric de Villamil wrote:

> Depends on how much trafic there is on the list actually. So my
> apologies for my not-so-bad-but-not-accurate-at-this-time idea

Jayzuz don't apologise or somebody might blame me for putting you
off! ;)

It was only yesterday that bug chat was going on.  A problem with
posting from an external app that meant the posts weren't being
displayed (Ticket #872) but Piers has solved that in r1054 which is
pretty stable(ish) ... which is always good to know if anybody is
thinking of a trunk jump.

Gary

[Very much still solo opinions only]
5ce55767684e0cd1727db2b8b8975640?d=identicon&s=25 Steve Longdo (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 15:52
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Maybe you could add "beating the life out of the Typo community since
2006"
to your signature Gary? :-)
D6f24842b973de6cb75203c4c57dfbcb?d=identicon&s=25 Gary Shewan (Guest)
on 2006-05-16 16:32
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On 16 May 2006, at 14:51, Steve Longdo wrote:

> Maybe you could add "beating the life out of the Typo community
> since 2006" to your signature Gary? :-)

C'mon now Steve, what was the point of that? I've been on the list
for about a year now.  Try not to be so sensitive and delicate eh?
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