Forum: Ruby Whatever happened to the improved Ruby website proj?

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Eb9493c94d8db9887e5f15284d2c767f?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2006-03-07 23:25
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This came up in another thread, but I haven't seen an answer there so
here's
 a new thread:

A year or more ago there was a big push to create an improved Ruby
website.
Something that would look nicer and promote Ruby better than the
current one.
There were prototypes created that looked rather nice as I recall, but
then it
all seemed to disappear.  What happened?

Phil
6ec6f77ea603dd75b3a7a7775b059e79?d=identicon&s=25 John W. Long (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 00:26
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Phil Tomson wrote:
> This came up in another thread, but I haven't seen an answer there so here's
>  a new thread:
>
> A year or more ago there was a big push to create an improved Ruby website.
> Something that would look nicer and promote Ruby better than the  current one.
> There were prototypes created that looked rather nice as I recall, but then it
> all seemed to disappear.  What happened?

We have a crew of enthusiastic, but very busy people. :-) The design has
been in HTML since last summer, but we have wrestled with picking the
right content management system. We finally decided to do something
custom which is almost complete. After that we will need to port most of
the content from the old site over and make some content tweaks. Then
deployment. The fact that this is a multi-lingual Web site also
complicates things.

Expect something in 3 to 6 months. Hopefully, much earlier.
Ab95139721a8d9b463a7b47bcad7a5b3?d=identicon&s=25 Mike Whited (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 00:26
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On 3/7/06, Phil Tomson <ptkwt@aracnet.com> wrote:
> then it
> all seemed to disappear.  What happened?
>
> Phil
>
>
>

The blog is here: http://redhanded.hobix.com/redesign2005/
Who knows when they'll launch something new.
8217faf2bfdfa7daf10135d41ddd421e?d=identicon&s=25 Jeff Cohen (jeff)
on 2006-03-08 01:53
John W. Long wrote:
> We have a crew of enthusiastic, but very busy people. :-) The design has
> been in HTML since last summer, but we have wrestled with picking the
> right content management system. We finally decided to do something
> custom which is almost complete. After that we will need to port most of
> the content from the old site over and make some content tweaks. Then
> deployment. The fact that this is a multi-lingual Web site also
> complicates things.
>
> Expect something in 3 to 6 months. Hopefully, much earlier.

I'd be willing to donate some time if there's any way I can help?  (I'm
sure some others would be too.)

Jeff
www.softiesonrails.com
cohen.jeff {at} gmail.com
2899cec9af525f7953e19c8210aca97c?d=identicon&s=25 Jason Perkins (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 02:21
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On Mar 7, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Jeff Cohen wrote:

>>
>> Expect something in 3 to 6 months. Hopefully, much earlier.
>
> I'd be willing to donate some time if there's any way I can help?
> (I'm
> sure some others would be too.)

I'm willing to donate some time to that cause.


--
Jason Perkins
jperkins@sneer.org

"The computer allows you to make mistakes
faster than any other invention, with the
possible exception of handguns and tequila."
E7559e558ececa67c40f452483b9ac8c?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 05:21
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On Mar 7, 2006, at 6:25 PM, John W. Long wrote:
> We have a crew of enthusiastic, but very busy people. :-) The
> design has been in HTML since last summer, but we have wrestled
> with picking the right content management system. We finally
> decided to do something custom which is almost complete.

Thanks for all your efforts.  I'm curious as to what requirements led
you to
create your own CMS?  I'm doing some work/research in this area and
I'd like
to know what was 'missing' from the available systems you
considered.  What
systems did you consider?  Even just a few off the cuff thoughts
would be
appreciated.

Gary Wright
F0b14b7dbae1e90259eb946d1c841a17?d=identicon&s=25 Ken Collins (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 05:37
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Perhaps the reason was "eating your own dog food"? A Ruby CMS?
6ec6f77ea603dd75b3a7a7775b059e79?d=identicon&s=25 John W. Long (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 05:49
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gwtmp01@mac.com wrote:
> I'm curious as to what requirements led you to create your own CMS?  I'm
 > doing some work/research in this area and I'd like
> to know what was 'missing' from the available systems you considered.  What
> systems did you consider?  Even just a few off the cuff thoughts would be
> appreciated.

For starters we were looking for something in Ruby. At the moment there
is not a general purpose CMS available for Ruby. We considered using
Hobix for the blog part and something like Hieraki for the documentation
section, but neither one seemed to be a good fit for the Ruby site. We
also looked at Typo. In the end, we realized that in order to get any of
the existing systems to work together we would have to do so much
customization that it would be difficult to maintain. I've also had an
itch for creating my own CMS and thought this would be a good project to
try out some of my ideas. I spent the month of January working on the
CMS and am very pleased with how it is turning out. I've got about a
week's worth of work left on it before it will be ready for
ruby-lang.org.

You can read about my progress on my Web site:

http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/05/first-look
http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/05/cre...
http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/12/jav...
http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/31/behaviors

I plan to open source it in the future and will be looking for
contributors. E-mail me off-list if you are interested.
E7559e558ececa67c40f452483b9ac8c?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 05:55
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On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Ken Collins wrote:
> Perhaps the reason was "eating your own dog food"? A Ruby CMS?

I know of the various wiki and blog frameworks in Ruby.

I haven't really found any CMS frameworks, which is why I asked the
question.  Maybe there is something out there that I'm not aware of.


Gary Wright
A402df36168b81b31c17adcbb5ae8cf4?d=identicon&s=25 Pistos Christou (pistos)
on 2006-03-08 06:22
John W. Long wrote:
> You can read about my progress on my Web site:
>
> http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/05/first-look
> http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/05/cre...
> http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/12/jav...
> http://wiseheartdesign.com/articles/2006/01/31/behaviors
>
> I plan to open source it in the future and will be looking for
> contributors. E-mail me off-list if you are interested.

I really can't wait for you to release the code for this.  Please do so
as soon as possible, even if you think it's not ready for prime time :)
or even if it would only be made available via CVS or svn or something.

I wrote a Ruby-based CMS myself (which I am too shy to link to here...
it's painfully in need of a rewrite in either Rails or Nitro+Og), but
yours looks droolworthy.

I've been wanting something that gives the ease of WordPress, but
broadened into general-purpose website creation.

Pistos
6ec6f77ea603dd75b3a7a7775b059e79?d=identicon&s=25 John W. Long (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 06:37
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Pistos Christou wrote:
> I really can't wait for you to release the code for this.  Please do so
> as soon as possible, even if you think it's not ready for prime time :)
> or even if it would only be made available via CVS or svn or something.

I can't wait to release it either. All in good time though. As I've said
the feature set for the new Ruby-Lang.org is almost complete. When I've
finished that I will probably give the public anonymous access to the
repository and begin asking for feedback. There are limits to one man's
creativity. :-)
C475cffda1800fbc3f3af17bc10c220f?d=identicon&s=25 Curt Hibbs (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 19:02
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On 3/7/06, Jason Perkins <jperkins@sneer.org> wrote:
>
> On Mar 7, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Jeff Cohen wrote:
>
> >
> > I'd be willing to donate some time if there's any way I can help?
> > (I'm
> > sure some others would be too.)
>
> I'm willing to donate some time to that cause.

Thanks for your offer to help.

What we are mostly going to need help with is moving exiting content
from ruby-lang.org to the new site, and some writing of new content
(we will have a list of what we need).

If you think you'll have time to help with this, send me a private
email (curt at hibbs dot com).

Curt
Bea287582f4125fa81a2ca945bd48753?d=identicon&s=25 Julian I. Kamil (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 19:45
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Gary, have you looked at Pandora (http://pandora.rubyveil.com/)?  Not
exactly a CMS, but it may meet some of your requirements.

Best regards,

Julian I. Kamil <julian.kamil@gmail.com>
http://pandora.rubyveil.com/ - Document publishing and web application
framework
http://books.rubyveil.com/ - The Ruby Bookshelf
Eb9493c94d8db9887e5f15284d2c767f?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 20:10
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In article <440E1621.3080508@johnwlong.com>,
John W. Long <ng@johnwlong.com> wrote:
>been in HTML since last summer, but we have wrestled with picking the
>right content management system. We finally decided to do something
>custom which is almost complete. After that we will need to port most of
>the content from the old site over and make some content tweaks. Then
>deployment. The fact that this is a multi-lingual Web site also
>complicates things.
>
>Expect something in 3 to 6 months. Hopefully, much earlier.
>

Good to hear that there is ongoing work on the project.

BTW: will this content management system by available?

Phil
Eb9493c94d8db9887e5f15284d2c767f?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 20:16
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In article <E4C60EB1-F8B1-47B8-A807-218518B20CEE@metaskills.net>,
Ken Collins  <ken@metaskills.net> wrote:
>
>Perhaps the reason was "eating your own dog food"? A Ruby CMS?

Yes, this seems important for a Ruby site to have a CMS written in Ruby.
We've
bot web programming framesworks like Rails and Nitro, but I don't think
there's
been a CMS package in Ruby.

Phil
E7559e558ececa67c40f452483b9ac8c?d=identicon&s=25 unknown (Guest)
on 2006-03-08 20:59
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Julian I. Kamil wrote:

> Gary, have you looked at Pandora (http://pandora.rubyveil.com/)?  Not
> exactly a CMS, but it may meet some of your requirements.

Thanks for the pointer. I'll check it out.


Gary Wright
6ec6f77ea603dd75b3a7a7775b059e79?d=identicon&s=25 John W. Long (Guest)
on 2006-03-09 02:52
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Phil Tomson wrote:
> Good to hear that there is ongoing work on the project.
>
> BTW: will this content management system by available?

Yup. As soon as I can break away from the Ruby Web site long enough to
make it available. :-) It will be opensource.
2cf6d8e639314abd751f83a72e9a2ac5?d=identicon&s=25 Martin DeMello (Guest)
on 2006-03-09 21:45
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John W. Long <ng@johnwlong.com> wrote:
>
> We have a crew of enthusiastic, but very busy people. :-) The design has
> been in HTML since last summer, but we have wrestled with picking the
> right content management system. We finally decided to do something
> custom which is almost complete. After that we will need to port most of
> the content from the old site over and make some content tweaks. Then
> deployment. The fact that this is a multi-lingual Web site also
> complicates things.
>
> Expect something in 3 to 6 months. Hopefully, much earlier.

Better than stopping to write TeX first, at least :) Looking forward to
the new site!

martin
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