So granted I've ventured over to Lisp land a bit, but these ideas still seem like they could be useful: array = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] # Exists array.first # => 1 # Proposed array.rest # => [2, 3, 4, 5] # ...and/or array.tail Granted it would be as simple as array[1..-1] but that lacks the distinct eloquence of most ruby syntax and it seems to be far more of a language feature possibility. Monkey patching it on would be trivial, yes, but I would rather avoid that in favor of discussing this as a possible feature. This of course inspired by Lisp's car/cdr or first/rest and head/tail (of which I don't remember the origin.) Any thoughts on this idea?
on 2013-11-09 07:35
on 2013-11-09 08:30
On 11/08/2013 10:34 PM, Brandon Weaver wrote: > # ...and/or array.tail > > Any thoughts on this idea? Yes, please. I use `array[1..-1]` all the time and it feels cumbersome. Looks like there is a proposal, although it has not been touched in just over a year: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6727 -Justin
on 2013-11-09 17:27
Justin Collins wrote in post #1126807: > On 11/08/2013 10:34 PM, Brandon Weaver wrote: >> # ...and/or array.tail Why not array.drop(1) _md
on 2013-11-09 17:47
It doesn't fit the feel of Ruby, and isn't nearly as expressive or succinct as what I mentioned above.
on 2013-11-09 18:14
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Brandon Weaver <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > It doesn't fit the feel of Ruby, and isn't nearly as expressive or succinct > as what I mentioned above. ruby is not lisp. try eg, array.shift #=> 1 array #=> [2, 3, 4, 5] kind regards -botp
on 2013-11-09 18:27
"Some may say Ruby is a bad rip-off of Lisp or Smalltalk, and I admit that. But it is nicer to ordinary people." - Matz, LL2 Ruby is a language designed in the following steps: * take a simple lisp language (like one prior to CL). * remove macros, s-expression. * add simple object system (much simpler than CLOS). * add blocks, inspired by higher order functions. * add methods found in Smalltalk. * add functionality found in Perl (in OO way). So, Ruby was a Lisp originally, in theory. Let's call it MatzLisp from now on. ;-) - Matz ---- About that...
on 2013-11-10 00:46
On Nov 9, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Brandon Weaver <email@example.com> wrote: > * add methods found in Smalltalk. > > > array.shift #=> 1 > array #=> [2, 3, 4, 5] > > kind regards -botp > All interesting and such, but moot given core language change discussions happens over on ruby-core mailing list. I think your suggestion has merit (Hey, Im a Lisper, too!), but nothing we can really do over here. Even better, fork ruby, add the methods, and submit a PR. Id say it should be in Enumerable, as well. The implementation should be dead-easy: class Array def rest(n=1) self.drop(n) end end
on 2013-11-10 00:51
Someone already did, and I did actually go straight to that list. The request is there and is about a year old so I was stirring it up a bit after I found the report to add it.
on 2013-11-10 02:11
On Nov 9, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Brandon Weaver <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > Someone already did, and I did actually go straight to that list. The request is there and is about a year old so I was stirring it up a bit after I found the report to add it. Cool beans :)
on 2013-11-12 11:33
I use Arrays with "headers" quite a lot, so I think this is an excellent idea :)
on 2013-11-12 12:58
Also: a = [1,2,3,4,5] first, *rest = a first # => 1 rest # => [2, 3, 4, 5]