Hi Everyone, I'll try to make my opening summary as short as possible. I work as a hobbyist in web development (using Dreamweaver CS4, Photoshop CS4, PHP, Swishmax2(flash)). My dominant sites are all on "linux/unix" boxes but I program on a Windows Vista machine. I program for fun with C++, Autoit, Actionscript, and PHP for the most part. My background is that I've been in the IT industry for more than 16 years and I'm an extreme troubleshooter but I'm also a Windows System Administrator. That basically means I'm a jack of all trades where windows is concerned because I've seen a lot of things over the years as I dabble a lot. I have a photographic memory with a logical foundation set within. Therefore, I learn a lot faster than most people because I can retain information like a sponge to water. I have a lot of time available (in-between job searches right now) so I decided to spend my time wisely. About one week ago, I decided to push into Ruby with the idea that I'll eventually get into Ruby on Rails. I've researched it and it's the route I want to go. Anyhoo, I do not use linux and am not very familiar with linux. Some folks say it's not hard to use Ruby on windows and it's come a long way so I started pulling in some research materials. Here's what I've accomplished in one week so far: I read my first ruby book (Beginning Ruby - From Novice to Professional) by Peter Cooper. I installed Ruby using the one-click-installer I learned how to install and use gems. I learned the difficulty with installing gems that needed --platform=mswin32 I created my first program from scratch (an html parser I called scraper.rb) which pulls statistics off a website and stores it in yaml. I was instantly thrilled with the concept of classes, methods, even happy with how interpolation worked with variables. I thought to myself this is going to be great! I can design a class based app that can become modular as I build it and not suffer through past programming experiences. I was just about to get into RoR when I thought to myself it might be better to go with the latest ruby. So, I managed to upgrade my ruby to 1.9.1. I ordered another book from O'Reilly which is supposed to help with transitions from 1.8 - 1.9. I found out there were a lot of issues upgrading, namely with how a lot of the gems I used to be able to use no longer worked. The biggest issues I face now are using mysql on windows and also that my DBs online are 5.1. Keep in mind the online DBs are in fact on a linux/unix box and not on a windows but I do my programming on a windows box. Make sense? I hope so. It's just a convenience for me because I'm more fluent with windows. However, now I cannot get mysql to work. I did work through a lot of websearches and found the best install fix for me was something like: gem install kwatch-mysql-ruby --platform=mswin32 --source=http://gems.github.com/ However, when I tried to install it, I get the following error: *** ERROR: can't find mysql client library. *** extconf.rb failed *** I use mysql 5.1 on my windows machine and use Wampserver as my original development server/platform. So, I'm a little frustrated but I know I can get through this. And, I don't want to give up on Ruby at all. So, my questions are as follows: 1. What would you recommend I do concerning developing on a windows box when my websites are located on linux/unix. Is it doable? Do I have to make a lot of adjustments? 2. If I had to go to linux to use RoR effectively, how steep is the learning curve going to be and what would I need to do to ensure that I can dual-boot on both vista and linux where appropriate? 3. What other suggestions can you give me to help improve my transition to ruby on rails (things that you might have encountered and learned from) 4. Is it worth it to stick with RoR as a native windows user or should I be thinking about something else. I apologize for the very long post but I needed to start with a wide audience to retrieve the best answers. Many thanks to any who read and respond accordingly. J.D.
on 2009-05-28 22:48
on 2009-05-29 01:49
1,2. I would highly recommend doing it on Linux. You can easily do this while still using Windows by using virtual machine software such as VirtualBox(virtualbox.org) or Vmware(vmware.com). Go with Virtualbox. It's pretty good and easy to use and FREE. You won't have to worry about rebooting or dual-booting. It will let you run Linux under Windows. So, just install Ubuntu into it. I recommend Ubuntu 8.04 desktop. Afterwards, just google how to install RoR onto Ubuntu 8.04 and you'll get a couple of good pages with great step by step instructions. It won't as hard as you think. 3. I found the Agile Web Dev with Rails book to be very good for getting started over a year ago. It takes you through a simple project and get your familiar with the basic stuff. Afterward it runs through more detailed information you'll probably want to also use. 4. If your deployment environment is Linux, then go development in Linux. It'll make your life easier when you encounter and solve problems on linux during development instead of running into them when you deploy. Good luck.
on 2009-05-29 02:34
Jim wrote: > 1,2. I would highly recommend doing it on Linux. You can easily do > this while still using Windows by using virtual machine software such > as VirtualBox(virtualbox.org) or Vmware(vmware.com). Go with > Virtualbox. It's pretty good and easy to use and FREE. You won't > have to worry about rebooting or dual-booting. It will let you run > Linux under Windows. So, just install Ubuntu into it. I recommend > Ubuntu 8.04 desktop. Afterwards, just google how to install RoR onto > Ubuntu 8.04 and you'll get a couple of good pages with great step by > step instructions. It won't as hard as you think. > > 3. I found the Agile Web Dev with Rails book to be very good for > getting started over a year ago. It takes you through a simple > project and get your familiar with the basic stuff. Afterward it runs > through more detailed information you'll probably want to also use. > > 4. If your deployment environment is Linux, then go development in > Linux. It'll make your life easier when you encounter and solve > problems on linux during development instead of running into them when > you deploy. > > Good luck. Jim - thanks a ton. I will look into VirtualBox and see how it fares with Vista, before installing. Here are a list of the books I have (currently) (I have PDF formats (digital licenses) for the following: Agile Web Development with Rails (I'll read this one next) Beginning Ruby - From Novice to Professional (the one I've read so far) Practical Ruby Gems Enterprise Integration with Ruby Everyday Scripting with Ruby Learn to Program OReilly - Shortcut RJS Templates for Rails OReilly - Web Services on Rails Programming Ruby Rails Recipes That's my current list... What would you recommend for linux use (as far as a book to read about it) - I'll go with ubuntu..
on 2009-05-29 03:14
I use Vista Business edition. You shouldn't have any problems with VirtualBox. I use Vmware player, but it's a bit harder to setup initially so I can't recommend that for now. Just download the Ubuntu iso file from ubuntu.com and use that as a cd image in virtualbox. The instructions for installing Ubuntu as straight forward. I recommend 8GB disk space on virtualbox for this. Here's a great link for installing RoR on Ubuntu 8.04. http://www.rubyhead.com/2008/04/25/installing-ruby... I don't know what your background in programming is, but Programming Ruby would be good to read after ~100pages of the Rails book. If you need more background in programming, maybe the Learn to Program book might be useful. You'll only need basic linux commands for most of what you'll do. Quick google searches will help you. I haven't read any linux books, so I can't suggest anything. I think you'll be surprised at how easy Ubuntu will be to use. I recommend using Netbeans as a development environment after you do your first couple of projects. Do the first projects following the book as it will give you a good foundation for understanding how things work.
on 2009-05-29 03:19
We are using VMWare on Vista, and having no problems. I have had a bit of a look at VirtualBox, but the tools for vmware seem a bit more complete. On the 'harder to set up' issue, there are appliances that you can download that are pretty much a complete ubuntu vm. Just download and away you go. Cheers Simon
on 2009-05-29 03:37
Yup, you are correct. It's possible to download a VMware appliance that has Ubuntu. I actually haven't tried any premade appliances yet. I used to use VMware server until they changed it so I couldn't really use it as standalone. I'm using VMware player now but using my own empty template so I can set up any OS I want.
on 2009-05-29 03:41
The other thing to consider (I had a quick look at VirtualBox the other day) is that the VMWare vms are portable across OSs, while VirtualBox's aren't So, if you are using vmware, your dev vm on vista will run on vmware player on Linux, but this doesn't apply for VirtualBox. However, they have some sound reasons for this, including making the vm files smaller.
on 2009-05-29 05:05
Jim wrote: [...] > I recommend using Netbeans as a development environment after you do > your first couple of projects. I'm going to disagree rather strongly here. Rails doesn't seem to lend itself all that well to "heavy" IDEs like Eclipse (which I used to use, and would probably still use for Java) and NetBeans (haven't used, but seems like the same niche). I've had much better luck with simpler tools like jEdit (see http://marnen.livejournal.com for setup info) and KomodoEdit (my current choice), or even plain editors like TextWrangler. (BTW, Eclipse and NetBeans *still* don't do word wrap reliably. WTF?) Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org email@example.com
on 2009-05-29 05:10
Heh? you are disagreeing rather strongly based on a program that you have never used? We use netbeans as our Rails dev environment, and have had no problems at all. On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:05:46 +0800, Marnen Laibow-Koser
on 2009-05-29 05:20
Simon Macneall wrote: > Heh? > > you are disagreeing rather strongly based on a program that you have > never > used? I should have been clearer. Based on the research I've done about NetBeans, and on how the program is marketed, it seems that its Eclipse-like nature and what I understand to be a heavy JRuby implementation are not really the way I want to go about Rails development. I might still try it, but I believe (if the info I have is accurate) that it is the wrong direction to go for Rails, at least for the way I like to work. > > We use netbeans as our Rails dev environment, and have had no problems > at > all. I wasn't exactly talking about problems. I never really had any *problems* as such with Rails and Eclipse. It just got to feel like trying to run wearing ski boots after a while, and I didn't like that. I'll turn around the question: why NetBeans? What makes such an apparently heavy IDE worthwhile for Rails? I'd be very interested to know. Best, -- Marnen Laibow-Koser http://www.marnen.org firstname.lastname@example.org
on 2009-05-29 05:37
On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:20:23 +0800, Marnen Laibow-Koser <email@example.com> wrote: > > I should have been clearer. Based on the research I've done about > NetBeans, and on how the program is marketed, it seems that its > Eclipse-like nature and what I understand to be a heavy JRuby > implementation are not really the way I want to go about Rails > development. I might still try it, but I believe (if the info I have is > accurate) that it is the wrong direction to go for Rails, at least for > the way I like to work. > not sure what you mean by a heavy JRuby implementation. You can select which ruby to use. Out of the box it installs JRuby, but you can switch this to normal ruby easy enough. >> > I wasn't exactly talking about problems. I never really had any > *problems* as such with Rails and Eclipse. It just got to feel like > trying to run wearing ski boots after a while, and I didn't like that. > I had that feeling trying to use Eclipse for both C++ and Java. I think it is an offshoot of the fact it is written in Java, whereas (and I might be corrected here) Netbeans is written in C++. > I'll turn around the question: why NetBeans? What makes such an > apparently heavy IDE worthwhile for Rails? I'd be very interested to > know. > We were already using Netbeans for our Java dev, so it was natural to try it for Rails. The debugging is pretty good, and the project management side seems better than Eclipse (that said, I haven't tried eclipse for several years now). I guess mostly, once you are using it, there isn't anything that is annoying me enough to want to try something else. Cheers Simon
on 2009-05-29 05:59
Hi everyone - thanks for all of the input. Here's an update: I did install VirtualBox on my Vista and got the latest ubuntu and created a virtual drive etc., installing it. I'm now up and running with Vista and Ubuntu I managed to figure out how to install ruby with a sudo command. But, having a lot of other issues. I'm not all that familiar with linux so here's the list of issues I'm experiencing: I'm currently using ruby1.8.7 (2008-08-11 patchlevel 72) [i486-linux] according to ruby -v. I managed to get rubygems by typing sudo apt-get install rubygems1.8 and that installed the gems system. I did gems install rails and got a strange error saying that I don't have /home/elricstorm/.gem/ruby/1.8/bin in your path... I went out on the web and figured out how to change path by doing.. PATH=$PATH:/home/elricstorm/.gem/ruby/1.8/bin export PATH I tried installing hpricot, mysql, a few others and keep getting the following error: WARNING: Installing to ~/.gem since /var/lib/gems/1.8 and /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin aren't both writable... Building native extensions. This could take a while... Error: Error installing mysql: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. /usr/bin/ruby1.8 extconf.rb install mysql extconf.rb:1:in `require`: no such file to load --mkmf (LoadError) from extconf.rb: 1 .. I get this for a few gems, similar... Any help with my newbish run at linux would be appreciated. Also, what should I be using for an editor to program with on linux.. On windows I just used Scite..
on 2009-05-29 06:01
try sudo gem install On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:59:03 +0800, J. D.
on 2009-05-29 06:10
Simon Macneall wrote: > try sudo gem install > Tried that already - same error...
on 2009-05-29 06:12
Simon Macneall wrote: > try sudo gem install > Or, rather, same error as above (minus the writeable issues)
on 2009-05-29 17:06
I fixed all my issues and am up and running. Here's what I did to fix them all... First, I had to uninstall my old ruby and gems.. In my case I had to do sudo gem uninstall --install-dir "/path/to/directory" NameOfGem to uninstall all of mine because gem uninstall could not find them. I did that first by just doing a locate (name of gem) to see which directory it was in. I uninstalled all the gems and then I uninstalled Ruby using the following: sudo apt-get remove rubygems ruby irb ri rdoc ruby1.8-dev .. that solved the uninstall issues. Installing Ruby 1.9.1 and Rails I created a checklist of everything I did when installing ruby and rails from source in case someone else has the same issues I did. Here's the instructions. Prep Tools and Libraries 1. Download latest 1.9.1 source and place in Directory/src. 2. Go to terminal and type the following: 3. TYPE sudo apt-get install build-essential wget libreadline5-dev libncurses5-dev zlib1g-dev libsqlite3-dev libssl-dev Installing Ruby Source 1. Go to src directory on desktop via terminal. 2. Type ls to see name of package. 3. Type tar xvzf (name of package) 4. Type rm *.gz (to remove the .gz src file) 5. Type cd ruby(tab) to finish dir typing 6. Type autoconf (to check if autoconf is there) 7. Type sudo apt-get install autoconf (to install autoconf) 8. Type autoconf 9. Type ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-pthread 10. Type make 11. Type sudo make install Check Versions 1. Type ruby -v (should be latest version) 2. Type gem -v (should be latest version) 3. Type sudo gem update (everything should be up to date) 4. Type irb (to access IRB) 5. Type RUBY_VERSION (should show latest version) Install Rails and other gems 1. Type sudo gem install rails sqlite3-ruby rubygems-update test-unit capistrano rspec 2. Type rails -v (to check rails version) 3. Type rails testapp 4. Type cd testapp 5. Type script/server 6. Open Browser 7. Type http://localhost:3000 Everything should be running fine. In my case I'm up and running. As a new user to linux I had to research several sites to find all the information.
on 2009-05-29 18:29
Try REE and Passenger: http://phusion.nl/ Cheers, Sazima
on 2009-05-30 09:17
For IDE, I would suggesst Aptana's RadRails (http://www.aptana.com/ rails). It is based on Eclipse and designed well to implement/deploy RoR applications (it has a nice feature called AptanaCloud which lets you deploy RoR applications in the cloud in minutes). One thing to remember, building RoR applications is just one part of the equation, with the other being deployment. There are several solutions around for this (mongrels+rails, apache+phusion-passenger+rails, etc.) and they all require certain level of Linux expertise. That is what makes an IDE like RadRails sweet: it will take care of the deployment part for you so you can focus on building the application and not have to configure a Linux Box with server capabilities. Regards, - Ricardo Sanchez firstname.lastname@example.org On May 28, 10:05 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <rails-mailing-l...@andreas-