I've seen a few patches go in regarding compatibility with 1.9. I've started a home project using Ruby Gnome 2 and wondered whether I should try using 1.9 for it. I'm an experienced developer. C++/Java and the last few years in Ruby on Rails but I've not used Gnome before and I've not done GUI development for a while. I've got some concepts to (re)learn but if it works having the extra speed and future proof of 1.9 not to mention the thrill of a cutting edge version may be worth the investment. I'm working on a new style of source code editor. Probably won't go public for a year so I'm thinking it might be worth it. The only issues (so far besides Gnome 2 issues) are RSpec compatiblity and being installed alongside 1.8. Thoughts?
on 2009-02-11 02:00
on 2009-02-11 02:29
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Phil Thompson <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > Thoughts? Apart from being in the same boat as you? :-) Actually, if I were to list my priorities of what I need they would be the following (in order): - Easy to install current build for Windows - 1.9 Compatibility - Easy to install current build for Mac OSX At the moment, the current bindings give me all the functionality I need (and more). It's these rather tiresome issues that I really desparately need for my application. However, as they say, it's free software, so what am I doing? ;-) I may be wrong, but don't I think any of these features will be done in the near future unless we get some motivated volunteers to do it. Realistically, I don't have time to volunteer, though :-( (I wish I did...) MikeC
on 2009-02-11 10:03
Ah that is a pain. Being on Ubuntu I don't have that issue. At least for Gnome installation anyway. Although I've noticed the gtksourceview lib is a bit behind on ruby bindings but I've decided not to use it as it's not flexible enough for my needs. 1.9 looks pretty easy to install (apt-get install ruby1.9 !) but I'm not sure how 1.8 and 1.9 work on the same machine. My main focus is on Linux at the moment as that's what I use and that's where editors are in limited supply. At least the kind I'm used to. I'd worry about getting your app to a usable point first. You never know support for those platforms could improve in the future. There are some guys out there that are proactively supporting Windows and Mac OS is pretty popular with Ruby devs these days. I'm sure it'll improve over time. So have you played with Gnome on 1.9?
on 2009-02-11 15:34
I'm also on Ubuntu, but I'm trying to get my software used by the school I'm working in (I initially wrote software to help me learn Japanese, but now I want to focus on helping my Japanese students learn English). Unfortunately Windows is the primary platform and OS X the secondary. I don't think *any* of my students use linux (or will in the near future). So I'm in a bit of a dilema... I've run 1.8 and 1.9 on the same machine. I ran into no problems. But it was quite a while ago. As you mentioned, the lack of rspec is a deal breaker for me with respect to 1.9. But, assuming someone is working to fix that, the next is Gtk (and Pango, I guess). I really want 1.9 because I want to get a start on working with the new String library (1.8's is so broken in some places). Also, if I can get just a bit more speed and memory performance there are a few more things I can add to my program. Unfortunately, I don't have time to work on getting 1.9 working with Gnome. However, I'm sorely tempted to start working packaging the latest Ruby-Gnome on Windows... I just don't want to do it since I hate working in Windows and I don't want to become the expert on it ;-) But if nobody does it in the next month or two, I'll be forced to either do that or switch widget sets... My aversion to Windows is so strong that I'm actually considering the latter... Anyway, to stay on topic, I don't think anyone is seriously working on 1.9 integration at the moment (correct me if I'm wrong!). It might actually be a fun little project so if you're tempted, I'd say go for it! MikeC
on 2009-02-11 16:16
Phil Thompson wrote: > I've seen a few patches go in regarding compatibility with 1.9. I've > started a home project using Ruby Gnome 2 and wondered whether I should > try using 1.9 for it. > ... Have you tried Open Komodo (http://www.openkomodo.com/). But be careful there are two products: (1) Komodo EDI, and (2) Komodo Edit. Komodo Edit is free, and it is a very decent editor. As far as Ruby GTK+ is concerned, I believe it is the most promising GUI for Ruby, and hopefully it will become the GUI of choice for most open software enterprises on all platforms. However it is rather immature at the moment. There are many issues with Ruby-GNOME2 and Ruby 1.9. With GNOME2 everybody seems to be stuck with Ruby 1.8 for a while. I am not aware if the latest release of 1.9.1 fixed any of the problems. I hope things will get better in the not so distant future. However there definitely are grey areas particularly related to vector graphic, canvas and even Pango, that need a lot of fixing and even additional development before we will have a true Ruby graphical environment. Nevertheless, I do believe that GTK+ is the right choice when it comes to which GUI to learn for Ruby, mostly because it is the best bet to eventually achieve platform transparency! As far as Ruby 1.8 and 1.9 go, I can testify to the fact that the two incarnations can run absolutely without any problems side by side. Though GNOME2 is designed so it would also compile safely into either environment without obscuring the other, due to its immaturity, I shied away from such a scenario, at least until people here will start posting encouraging comments about the possibility of a successful marriage between 1.9 and GNOME2. Hope this was helpful for now, and warned you about the potential traps you may fall in if you assumed things were in a better shape than they truly are. Good luck, Torli
on 2009-02-11 20:30
Yes I've tried many editors and IDEs. KE had some issues for me. I think it was some issue with fonts not displaying correctly and it felt clunky and slow although that could have been Netbeans. I use gedit at the moment. It's pretty close to what I want but it's still missing some basic functionality that the plug-ins just can't seem to get right. I've so few editors that seem to get regex multi-file search and replace right. It also just bombs out from time to time which isn't very nice. I thought about fixing the plugin issues as it's only Python but this would have only got me half way to where I wanted to be. I want to add some tight features to support testing and Rails so thought that having the full editor at my disposal was a good way forward. It's a saturated market I know but there is always room for innovation and advancement and if it doesn't work out I'll have learnt a lot in the process!
on 2009-02-11 20:37
As for GTK+ it's been a pretty pleasent experience so far. Some of the documentation is a little sparse for Ruby but a combination of digging in the standard GTK+ docs and playing in irb and a few test scripts sorts out any confusion. Much less painful than my Win32 C++ days! Thanks for the information. I'll probably stick with 1.8 for now but will keep an eye on developments and if anyone out there has some success with Gnome and 1.9 we'd love to hear about it. If I do get the chance to test it out I'll be sure to post my findings. No promises though.
on 2009-02-13 14:12
> Some of the documentation is a little sparse for Ruby > but a combination Yes but in most situations, this list here is a great supplement whenever one has a question. :-)
on 2009-02-13 16:11
Marc Heiler wrote: >> Some of the documentation is a little sparse for Ruby >> but a combination > > Yes but in most situations, this list here is a great supplement > whenever one has a question. :-) Thanks Marc, good to know!