I just started learnign Rails and i think it's quite cool! I have just done some basic stuff till now i was talking to some professional guy who was working in ruby On Rails for last 1 year and he said that it would be better if i switch to linux... My purpose of learning RoR is to create websites with Google maps Mashups and social network sites.. i don't have a very extensive knowledge of programming... right now i have aptana radrails installed ... i am happy with it ... Should i stick with Windows ... or it would be better to switch to Linux ?
on 2009-02-09 09:10
on 2009-02-09 09:26
i have used ROR for one year , same with you i have used the apatana and radrails . i am doing quite well since i have used to windows.if you only want to use ROR i recomand windows at least you can save your time to get used to Linux. if you have to use linux i recomand Ubuntu by personly . it is easy to use On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:09 PM, priyankeshu
on 2009-02-09 16:24
rustam mamat wrote: > i have used ROR for one year , same with you i have used the apatana and > radrails . i am doing quite well since i have used to windows.if you only > want to use ROR i recomand windows at least you can save your time to get > used to Linux. > if you have to use linux i recomand Ubuntu by personly . it is easy to use See about getting the free VMware player or server and setting up an Ubuntu VM image to try it out. There are advantages to developing and testing in an environment similar to the deployment platform (which is typically some Unix). -- James Britt www.happycamperstudios.com - Wicked Cool Coding www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
on 2009-02-09 16:50
I started the same as you, learning rails on windows, but eventually switched to linux. I would recommend you stick with windows for now - its not going to hinder your abilities as far as learning rails or being productive in rails goes. When you have a good grasp of rails concepts, then ponder making the switch. I find that there is less hand-holding in linux in general, so one learns a lot more but the learning curve is steeper. As far as development tools go, Ive always preferred lighter editors to big IDE's, so I use Vim and an excellent rails plugin that I'm sure can be found by googling, if you are interested. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:09 AM, priyankeshu
on 2009-02-09 17:14
In any "vs" question you tend to get answers on both sides regardless of how crummy one side is in comparison. I think you should try Linux and decide for yourself. Linux won't cost you a cent and you can always switch back and forth. Just keep in mind that you won't learn all Linux can do in a day. You'll need a bit of patience. For two many reasons to list, I'd have to agree with the "professional guy" and say that Linux is generally a far better tool for making Internet applications.
on 2009-02-09 17:50
> See about getting the free VMware player or server and setting up an > Ubuntu VM image to try it out. Sun's VirtualBox is another quite usable option. I think questions like "should I switch to ..." are really a thing of the past since those VMs allow you to use whatever OS you want for whatever task they are most appropriate. I also found linux to some extent easier to set up in a VM. Performance penalty depends on your hardware though (hardware virtualization, memory etc.).  With the exception of Mac OSX which AFAIK you're not allowed to run in a VM on non-Apple hardware. Definitely not cool.
on 2009-02-09 19:27
priyankeshu wrote: > i don't have a very extensive knowledge of programming... > I'm going to guess you don't have a very extensive knowledge of system administration, either. If that's true, here's a quick comparison: Points in favor of Linux: - Many Rubygems require C extensions. Unless they have Windows-specific versions already, they're going to be painful to get working. - You'll probably be deploying on a Unix-like system. It's nice to have your development environment match. - Also, Git is cool. But the Windows ports just aren't as good. Points in favor of Windows: - You don't know Linux. If something goes wrong with your system, it could take much longer to debug it than it would with Windows, at least until you know it better. - Ruby is cross-platform, and so is Rails. It's very unlikely that your program will behave differently on Windows than Linux, unless you do something stupid. - You probably don't know Git. Tortoise SVN will be easier to learn. My recommendation would be, if you want to get something done RIGHT NOW, just stick with Windows. For the long term, you'll really be better off with Linux or OS X.
on 2009-02-09 19:56
David Masover wrote: > working. > do something stupid. > - You probably don't know Git. Tortoise SVN will be easier to learn. > > My recommendation would be, if you want to get something done RIGHT > NOW, just stick with Windows. For the long term, you'll really be > better off with Linux or OS X. > > Personally, having developed on OS X, Windows and Linux I would say Windows is the better operating system to develop on. With the GUI rails provides there is a lot more functionality readily available to you from the desktop. As David said: There *should* be no difference to your code running on any platform, however if you wanted to be 100% sure, I'd check that out. If you're new to programming, and have used Windows a lot longer than Linux, I'd stick with Windows. You'll get a lot further with your learning curve as you wont have to cover anything operating system related.
on 2009-02-09 20:14
David Masover wrote: > - Also, Git is cool. But the Windows ports just aren't as good. It seems perfectly fine. The release notes indicate some issues for certain things, but I've not found any problems in day-to-day usage. > - You probably don't know Git. Tortoise SVN will be easier to learn. If git is not preferred, mercurial would be a better choice. Might as well get familiar with a DVCS. -- James Britt www.happycamperstudios.com - Wicked Cool Coding www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation www.rubystuff.com - The Ruby Store for Ruby Stuff
on 2009-02-09 20:20
Yeah I'm a noob, and I tried using linux before and I spent a great deal of time trying to figure other things out instaed of actually writing code. Very frustrating, and discouraging especially if your a new to Ruby or any language. Me personally I would stick to windows, then once you become comfortable, go back to Linux :). Kindest Regards
on 2009-02-09 21:30
James Britt wrote: > David Masover wrote: > >> - Also, Git is cool. But the Windows ports just aren't as good. > > It seems perfectly fine. The release notes indicate some issues for > certain things, but I've not found any problems in day-to-day usage. The big one was performance, unless this has been resolved. As Git was really designed for Unix, for awhile, the Windows port was either Cygwin or MinGW, and both came with performance hits. >> - You probably don't know Git. Tortoise SVN will be easier to learn. > > > If git is not preferred, mercurial would be a better choice. Might as > well get familiar with a DVCS. Agreed, but Tortoise has a nice Windows GUI.
on 2009-02-09 21:37
Richard Ive wrote: > Personally, having developed on OS X, Windows and Linux I would say > Windows is the better operating system to develop on. With the GUI > rails provides there is a lot more functionality readily available to > you from the desktop. Now I'm confused. What GUI is provided for Rails on Windows, but not other platforms? The only one I can think of is Aptana, which exists for Linux, and maybe the TextMate URLs, where TextMate only exists for OS X. Maybe I'm out of touch?
on 2009-02-09 22:12
On Feb 9, 3:09 am, priyankeshu <priyankeshu.pari...@gmail.com> wrote: > i don't have a very extensive knowledge of programming... > > right now i have aptana radrails installed ... i am happy with it ... > > Should i stick with Windows ... or it would be better to switch to > Linux ? Switch to Linux (I recommend Ubuntu 32bit) -- and that's regardless of Rails. There is so much to gain by making the switch, it's not even fair to Windows really. The trick to making the switch though is forcing yourself to stick with it for a month. At first it is very temping to switch back b/c you are not sure how to do certain things. T.
on 2009-02-11 01:12
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 05:09:15PM +0900, priyankeshu wrote: > i don't have a very extensive knowledge of programming... > > right now i have aptana radrails installed ... i am happy with it ... > > Should i stick with Windows ... or it would be better to switch to > Linux ? My personal preference is actually for FreeBSD -- which is substantially similar, from a typical end-user's point of view, to Linux. There are some significant differences once you get past the surface, though, and it is these differences that make up most of my reason for preferring it. I still prefer something like Debian GNU/Linux over MS Windows by far, though. My recommendations are as follows: 1. If you want to just get into Rails and not have to worry about anything else, stick with MS Windows for now. If you make an OS switch at the same time, and you don't have any other reasons for the switch than to support your Rails development, you should put off investigating a different OS until you feel like you are willing to just devote some time to that. 2. If you want to learn Ruby itself, and you aren't specifically trying to learn it for MS Windows development, I think that a Unix-like OS such as a BSD Unix or Linux-based OS can be one of your best friends. It is much easier to get started writing simple, but *useful*, little automation tools (e.g., shell scripts and similar) in a Unix-like environment than in the relentlessly CLI-hostile environment of MS Windows. 3. Give something Unix-like a try *eventually*. Even MacOS X can help in this regard, though it costs a hell of a lot more to experiment with MacOS X than with something like Debian GNU/Linux or FreeBSD (since with MacOS X you not only don't get a free OS, but also have to buy hardware specific to the OS). There are "easy" introductions to Unix-like OSes, such as Ubuntu Linux, PC-BSD, and DesktopBSD, if you want to try making a complete switch to a Unix-like OS in one shot. If you want to take a more gradual approach, though, I'd recommend doing something like what I originally did. I got a KVM switch, and connected two computers to it side-by-side on my desk. One was my main MS Windows system, and one was a far older Debian system. The KVM swich allowed me to quickly and easily -- and almost seamlessly, without any reboots or changes of peripheral hardware -- switch between the two systems. I could learn the Linux-based system at my leisure, getting into really understanding the system rather than just sticking some gooey (GUI) fat-interface OS on it like Mandrake (Ubuntu didn't even exist then, let alone Mandriva). After a while, I got fed up with some issues with Debian, and made the move to FreeBSD. Along the way, I've tried out a number of other Linux distributions and BSD Unix systems, in some cases professionally, but in terms of OS-of-choice, I've gone MS Windows -> Debian -> FreeBSD. The move from MS Windows to Debian was the most shocking, in several ways, though probably the most shocking part of it was the sudden realization one day that I had gone from thinking of the slower, older Debian box as a toy to play with to using it constantly without even turning on the MS Windows system for a couple of months -- without even noticing the change. I hope that helps answer some of your explicit and implicit questions.