So as usual I was talking up nitro as a replacement for rails, this time
at
the SPA conference earlier this year, and someone suggested I present
something at the London SPA
meetuphttp://bcs-spa.org/cgi-bin/view/SPA/PreRegistrations
.
So I agreed. And now I’m going to need a working nitro and og (and a
nice
walkthrough demo if someone has something like that handy).
Of course I’ll attribute anything I use to the appropriate people, but I
could really do with your help! Either that or I’ll have to politely
decline
the talk.
I really want to get nitro out there in front of some people, and the
BCS
crowd are useful influencers to be showing things to.
Of course I’ll attribute anything I use to the appropriate people, but I
could really do with your help! Either that or I’ll have to politely decline
the talk.
I really want to get nitro out there in front of some people, and the BCS
crowd are useful influencers to be showing things to.
So, George, about that 0.50 release…?
Hi Dan,
According to George’s blog, he has moved onto other projects.
So Nitro is in need of a new maintainer if it is to stay alive.
I have been doing some work on Og, but even so, it will take more man-
hours than I have to spare to get a new release out any time soon. And
sadly, interest has dwindled so much I’m not even sure if it is worth
it.
I am sorry to dissapoint you but I do not plan a 0.50 in the near
future. I
am still working on Nitro as needed for my currenrt projects (ie, the
repositories still receive updates) but I do not plan to support this
project.
I am workin an a new lightwieght framework (based on javascript/java)
and
evaluating Google AppEngine at the moment so maybe you will see new
stuff
from me in the future.
That is a real shame but I understand if you have to move on - I felt
you
really had a contender to take on rails there. I’m very grateful for all
the
effort and energy you’ve put into it - it’s been inspiring! Naturally
I’ll
be watching what you get up to next.
Out of interest, is there another lightweight ruby web framework you
would
recommend? I’m looking at ramaze, which has nitro-inspired view
“elements” ( http://tinyurl.com/3d7dgn) and plays nice with Og and Sequel ( http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven’t used it or ary of the others
(merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems the closest in “feel”
to
nitro.
Ramaze is like Nitro’s little sister and Merb is like Rails little
sister. IMHO you cannot go wrong with either Ramaze or Merb, it just
depends on your personal preferences and tastes.
I’ve been lurking on this mailing list hoping I get good enough at
Ruby or the Nitro documentation gets good enough that I can jump in -
I am sad to see that it might go away.
I saw a demo of Merb http://merbivore.com/ at the Mountain West
RubyConf last month and was quite impressed. It’s focused on
lightweight and flexible and well worth a look.
http://ramaze.net/features:orms). I haven’t used it or ary of the others
(merb, mack, etc.) but from a quick scan it seems the closest in “feel” to
nitro.
I’m a big fan of both Nitro and Ramaze; Ramaze does seem very much like
Nitro, with perhaps a greater range of pluggable options.
The #ramaze irc channel is very active, and a great place to get help.
Merb, too, is well worth looking at. It may come down to subtleties of
opinion as to which best suits your development style. Both have active
development and strong communities
Ramaze, however, has cooler T-shirts:
–
James B.
“Discover the recipes you are using and abandon them.”
It seems everyone is pretty well satisfied to turn to alternatives. I
guess shouldn’t bother to continue work on Nitro or Og, then?
I have moved on to Sequel, and some devs on DataMapper had indicated
they have an Og ‘style’ in mind for somethings.
However I haven’t delved into the DM source.
Yeah, we have to suggest an alternative since Og, combined with the
old facets has quite a few problems and bugs.
I would love to use Og (especially for its awesome evolution
capabilities), but there just hasn’t been a stable release since a
long time, so i settled for sequel.
I recently moved one of my projects from Og to DataMapper. While
DataMapper is definitely Og-like, it doesn’t quite feel as dynamic as
Og. I also miss the schema-evolution of Og.
Well, I DO depend on Og for my current projects so I AM interested in
helping. I just don’t like introducing too many incompatibilities.
Still, I can help you. What exactly do you need?
Yeah, we have to suggest an alternative since Og, combined with the
old facets has quite a few problems and bugs.
I would love to use Og (especially for its awesome evolution
capabilities), but there just hasn’t been a stable release since a
long time, so i settled for sequel.
^ manveru
I wouldn’t take much to get Og up to date. I have been working on it
bit by bit. But I just can’t do it alone. I need someone more familiar
with Og to help. Unfortunately no one has really stepped forward. It’s
really a shame, IMHO. It’s a good system, it just needs some TLC.
I still depend heavily on Og even though I too has switched over to
Ramaze. I’ve was kind of hoping that Ogden would become my Og
“replacement”, but that project seems even more inactive than Nitro
itself (I’m not tracking the rcs, so I actually don’t know whether this
is true or not). How far of is Ogden from releasing a gem?
Anyway, I think it would be a shame if Og/Ogden disappeared. I’ve tried
Sequel and some other ORM:s, but they all seem very “unnatural” to use
compared to Og. I would be very happy if someone picked up the project
and made a new release.
Anyway, I think it would be a shame if Og/Ogden disappeared. I’ve tried
I too see myself making use of Og over other options if it remains
available. I haven’t yet found another option as functional yet simple
that works on all platforms I need.
