# Why not adopt "Python Style" indentation for Ruby?

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**Created:** [May 18, 2007, 9:26am UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/why-not-adopt-python-style-indentation-for-ruby/104458 "2007-05-18T09:26:28Z")\
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Dear Mats,

I am kind of new to ruby and like it after looking python first. As  
some other people said, my only major complaint is it’s many “END”.  
Among java/c/C++/python, the “END” keep reminding me the inconvenience  
of it during coding ruby. I like ruby because it’s easy to learn, and  
to read. It’s designed for be friends of programmers. But I feel the  
“END” may have a negative role to ruby’s purpose or attraction.

I am fine to have “END” for class or methods. But for IF,WHILE, CASE,  
FOR, etc., when there are many levels it often make me confused what the  
matching part of the those "END"s are.

I understand and agree your comment that ruby had better to have  
something to close the code block. But I sincerely hope you could come  
up something else to replace the “END”.

My first thought to use brace “{…}” to replace “END” since it’s a  
popular convention.

I suggest to use only the “do…end” to formalize the blocks, brace {}  
will be stopped to be used. It seems to me it’s a waste of symbols to  
have two ways to represent blocks, which may not be the most frequently  
used. Or consider to use use:  
“/\* \*/”, “|…|”, “\<…\>”, “[…]” , “(…)”, “((…))”, , “//…//”, "  
:…: ", " ‘…’ ", " `...` " for blocks.

To enhance readability is probably one of ruby’s design purpose and I  
really hope some thing could be done earlier to make the “END” looks  
prettier.

Thank you!

On 18/05/07, Yukihiro M. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote:

> - tab/space mixture
> - templates, e.g. eRuby
> - expression with code chunk, e.g lambdas and blocks

- clipboards, email, pastebins, and other places where the code is not  
preserved literally

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On 6/1/07, Keith F. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid) wrote:

> Actually, mate-highlighting was added in vim 7:  
> [Vim documentation: pi\_paren](http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/pi_paren.html#matchparen)

Right, which is what I use. And as I said, it only highlights pairs  
of single character delimiters which are unequal, it can’t highlight  
do/end or “/”.

–  
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby  
[http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/](http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/)

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**Post date:** [October 6, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://www.ruby-forum.com/t/why-not-adopt-python-style-indentation-for-ruby/104458/83 "2008-10-06T20:46:55Z")

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Frasier M. wrote:

Why not adopt “Python Style” indentation for Ruby? Because that would  
bite a big one.

> I am fine to have “END” for class or methods. But for IF,WHILE, CASE,  
> FOR, etc., when there are many levels it often make me confused what the  
> matching part of the those "END"s are.

Then don’t do that. Seriously. Twisty conditionals is a code smell.  
(Having fought with deep hierarchies of YAML and HAML, the lack of an  
explicit “end” token doesn’t really help in complex documents; in fact,  
it can be detriment. Sometimes explicit is better than implicit.)

BTW, doesn’t your code editor find the matching braces (or do/ends) for  
you? (If not, get a real editor. They’re free.)

> To enhance readability is probably one of ruby’s design purpose and I  
> really hope some thing could be done earlier to make the “END” looks  
> prettier.

I _rarely_ run into Ruby code that is not readable. When I do, it’s  
almost always for a reason (e.g. Camping source code, or some code  
golfing).

The idea that coders need to be coerced into writing readable code is as  
flawed as that of the need for Java-style static typing to avoid bugs.

It sounds good in blog posts and mailing lists, but lacks empirical  
evidence.

–  
James B.

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[www.jamesbritt.com](http://www.jamesbritt.com) - Playing with Better Toys  
[www.ruby-doc.org](http://www.ruby-doc.org) - Ruby Help & Documentation  
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Just my quick chip-in:

I find Ruby’s syntax as-is works remarkably well. The only problem it  
causes me is with do-end mismatches where the parser just runs off the  
end of the file, with no indication of where the missing do or end might  
be. I have on many occasions resorted to chopping a copy of my source  
file to find the problem (that is, lopping out a class or a method at a  
time until the problem goes away)

DSL’s are also a source of this problem:

context “an empty object” do  
should “have zero size” do  
…  
end  
end

Miss out either of those 'do’s and it’s hard to tell where the problem  
is.

Personally, the solution I would love to have is a parser/pretty-printer  
tool which can read a Ruby source file and spit it back out with  
“standardised” indentation. It would then be obvious where the problem  
lies. You’d get the benefit of python-style indentation, without  
actually having to use python-style indentation 🙂

Unfortunately, the lack of specification makes it really hard to  
implement; and I don’t think I could use something like ParseTree as I  
think it would rely on the file being parsed successfully up-front,  
whereas I want this for programs which don’t parse. Maybe there’s  
another ruby implementation which could do this. Otherwise, the best I  
can think of is to modify the existing Ruby parser to spit out  
auto-indented code as it reads the source.

I don’t wish to change to a different text editor, and in any case, I  
don’t believe that _any_ editor has a sufficiently complete knowledge of  
Ruby lexing and parsing rules that it will always match the Ruby way of  
parsing source.

Anyway, if anyone knows of a tool which does this, it would make me very  
happy 🙂

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> Ruby code is reasonable or readable with “END”. And I agree a better  
> editor would help to find matching END, but still wonder if there could  
> be room to make the ruby code cleaner by considering other syntax to  
> replace “END”.

After you use ruby for a while, you’ll stop wanting to make it look  
like some other language. You’ll realize it’s nice the way it is. And  
certain things will start to grow on you, such as using @x instead of  
self.\_\_x.

> I also like the idea that “END” is optional for one line if, like:
> 
> if a \> 0 :  
> print a

If that’s a one-line ‘if’, what’s this?

print a if a \> 0

even better, that’s what. 🙂

– Mark.

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On 6 oct. 08, at 15:57, Brian C. wrote:

> Personally, the solution I would love to have is a parser/pretty-  
> printer  
> tool which can read a Ruby source file and spit it back out with  
> “standardised” indentation. It would then be obvious where the problem  
> lies. You’d get the benefit of python-style indentation, without  
> actually having to use python-style indentation 🙂

Maybe this is close to what you want.  
[http://blog.neontology.com/posts/2006/05/10/beautiful-ruby-in-textmate](http://blog.neontology.com/posts/2006/05/10/beautiful-ruby-in-textmate)

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James, thank you for you fast response.

I didn’t propose to get rid of the “END” like python does, but wondered  
if there could be cleaner syntax to as an alternative for “END”.

> James B. wrote:
> 
> > I am fine to have “END” for class or methods. But for IF,WHILE, CASE,  
> > FOR, etc., when there are many levels it often make me confused what the  
> > matching part of the those "END"s are.
> 
> Then don’t do that. Seriously. Twisty conditionals is a code smell.  
> (Having fought with deep hierarchies of YAML and HAML, the lack of an  
> explicit “end” token doesn’t really help in complex documents; in fact,  
> it can be detriment. Sometimes explicit is better than implicit.)

Ruby code is reasonable or readable with “END”. And I agree a better  
editor would help to find matching END, but still wonder if there could  
be room to make the ruby code cleaner by considering other syntax to  
replace “END”.

What I was saying in previous post is to free up the braces “{}” out of  
block syntax to replace “END”. For blocks, besides “do…end”, use  
something else like "[], or /\*\*/. e.g.:

class Foo  
def bar(b)  
c = b+1  
if b is not nil  
if c \> 10  
c++  
if c %2 == 0  
c += 3  
print c  
end  
end

```
    if d < 9
       d += 2
       print d
    end
  end

  a = [1, 2]
  a.each {|num| print num }

end

```

end

# tries to clean up the "END"s

class Foo  
def bar(b) {  
c = b+1  
if b is not nil {  
if c \> 10 {  
c++  
if c %2 == 0 {  
c += 3  
print c  
}  
}

```
    if d < 9 {
       d += 2
       print d
    }
  }

  a = [1, 2]
  a.each [|num| print num]
  a.each (|num| print num )
  a.each < |num| print num >
  a.each /* |num| print num */
  a.each /# |num| print num #/
  ...
}

```

end

If {} can represent a bock, then personally it might also readable to  
use [] and syntax above to denote blocks.

I also like the idea that “END” is optional for one line if, like:

if a \> 0 :  
print a

I can live with “END” in ruby, now just want to express an opinion or  
wish to make the ruby code more cleaner, and more programmer attracted.

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Brian C. wrote:

> I don’t wish to change to a different text editor, and in any case, I  
> don’t believe that _any_ editor has a sufficiently complete knowledge of  
> Ruby lexing and parsing rules that it will always match the Ruby way of  
> parsing source.
> 
> Anyway, if anyone knows of a tool which does this, it would make me very  
> happy 🙂

Well, vi/vim/gvim users can have the code auto-format, which will “fix”  
indentation.

When I get those nasty kEND errors I run the auto-format macro and scan  
down the code until I see something out of place. Then error is usually  
a few lines above that point.

–  
James B.

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[www.jamesbritt.com](http://www.jamesbritt.com) - Playing with Better Toys  
[www.ruby-doc.org](http://www.ruby-doc.org) - Ruby Help & Documentation  
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Frasier M. wrote:

> Dear Mats,
> 
> I am kind of new to ruby and like it after looking python first. As  
> some other people said, my only major complaint is it’s many “END”.  
> Among java/c/C++/python, the “END” keep reminding me the inconvenience  
> of it during coding ruby. I like ruby because it’s easy to learn, and  
> to read. It’s designed for be friends of programmers. But I feel the  
> “END” may have a negative role to ruby’s purpose or attraction.

Like any new language, it takes some time to adjust your eyes and  
fingers.

> I am fine to have “END” for class or methods. But for IF,WHILE, CASE,  
> FOR, etc., when there are many levels it often make me confused what the  
> matching part of the those "END"s are.

None of your suggestions seem to address this issue. Matching ‘end’ is  
no harder than matching ‘}’. If you get confused, add documentation like  
some people do:

end#if  
end#while  
end#class

> I understand and agree your comment that ruby had better to have  
> something to close the code block. But I sincerely hope you could come  
> up something else to replace the “END”.
> 
> My first thought to use brace “{…}” to replace “END” since it’s a  
> popular convention.

But then it looks like C/Java.

> 

I think ‘end’ looks fine, personally. I used to use curly braces all the  
time, but now I find myself using them as little as possible. do/end  
seems nicer and I don’t get them confused with hashes that way.

Besides, I enjoy the current look for conditionals. Given your later  
example, I prefer to see

if b is not nil

def bar b

than

if b is not nil {

def bar b {

Especially if it’s going to lead to arguments about where that ‘{’  
should go. Same line? Next line? Next line indented? I don’t want C. I  
don’t want Java. I don’t want parentheses around my conditionals when  
they aren’t needed. I don’t want to have to use my shift key more than  
necessary. I really don’t see the problem with the current syntax. I  
respect your opinion but definitely do not agree.

-Justin

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Mark T. wrote:

> After you use ruby for a while, you’ll stop wanting to make it look  
> like some other language. You’ll realize it’s nice the way it is. And  
> certain things will start to grow on you, such as using @x instead of  
> self.\_\_x.

Ok. I will try to use ruby more then. I like ruby’s other syntax such  
as @x than self.\_\_x. Only complaint is the “END”, which I have to type  
even for a couple of short lines of IF.

> If that’s a one-line ‘if’, what’s this?
> 
> print a if a \> 0
> 
> even better, that’s what. 🙂
> 
> – Mark.

Yeah, that’s one line if but it seems Mats mentioned one syntax before  
like : if a \> 0 then do this . Sth like that. When if clause is  
longer the existing one-line if may not looks elegant. Thanks.

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I’ve thought that one rather likes the structure of a language learned  
first.

I learned Ruby first then Python.

I never liked the indentation of Python probably as a result

Tom

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On 6 oct. 08, at 16:17, Joe Wölfel wrote:

> Maybe this is close to what you want.  
> [http://blog.neontology.com/posts/2006/05/10/beautiful-ruby-in-textmate](http://blog.neontology.com/posts/2006/05/10/beautiful-ruby-in-textmate)

Sorry, here’s a better link.

> **[\* Ruby Script Beautifier](https://arachnoid.com/ruby/rubyBeautifier.html)**
>
> A beautifier for Ruby source files ... written in Ruby.

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On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Tom R. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
wrote:

> I’ve thought that one rather likes the structure of a language learned  
> first.
> 
> I learned Ruby first then Python.
> 
> I never liked the indentation of Python probably as a result

Actually, the more I write in scheme, the more I like its structure.  
It all just works.

martin

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Justin C. wrote:

> None of your suggestions seem to address this issue. Matching ‘end’ is  
> no harder than matching ‘}’. If you get confused, add documentation like  
> some people do:
> 
> end#if  
> end#while  
> end#class

It’s a good way. It’s just that there’re more typings. If you says  
"matching end is no harder than }, then } could be an considered as an  
option I assume.

> > My first thought to use brace “{…}” to replace “END” since it’s a  
> > popular convention.
> 
> But then it looks like C/Java.

Liking other languages may not be bad. Ruby’s syntax on my first  
impression is that it’s similar to python, thinking about the “class” or  
“def”. Ruby has evolved by learning merits from other languages.

> I think ‘end’ looks fine, personally. I used to use curly braces all the  
> time, but now I find myself using them as little as possible. do/end  
> seems nicer and I don’t get them confused with hashes that way.

Thanks for your reply, Justin. It seems I am not the only one who are  
concerned with the “END”. Not 2 years ago, 1 year ago, or now. On  
ruby’s logo, it says “programmer’s best friend”. It seems ruby’s  
objective is to make it programmer-friendly language. When there are  
not few people have been wondering if any improvement could be made on  
its syntax, some effort may need to be considered on the improvement.  
If it’s determined there’s absolutely no room to improve, then that’s  
fine.

If no improvement will be made in near future, I can live with “END”,  
though in my mind I may still have the thought of it and wondering if it  
could be made better.

Don’t get my wrong. I hope ruby getting better and can attract more  
programmers. With this mind, I pointed what I felt, which is shared by  
other new comers.

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On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Frasier M. [removed\_email\_address@domain.invalid](mailto:removed_email_address@domain.invalid)  
wrote:

> Only complaint is the “END”, which I have to type  
> even for a couple of short lines of IF.

If you use an IDE/editor like NetBeans, you don’t – it’s inserted for  
you  
when you enter something like

if @foo.nil?   
| # cursor placed here  
end # auto-inserted

FWIW,

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Hi –

On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Tom R. wrote:

> I’ve thought that one rather likes the structure of a language learned first.

I like the structure of Ruby more than that of BASIC, so there goes  
that theory 🙂

David

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+1

I always type (), [], {}, do/end, begin/end,\<\>, etc. upfront together  
and then insert what goes in between. I can’t quite remember the last  
time I have mismatched these in any language.

OTOH, I can’t stand Python’s semantically significant white space  
approach. It seems to give me trouble a lot more often than I’d like…  
perhaps because I have not used it long enough.

Alex

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+1

I’ve used Java for years, and it’s great, but I would not want to make  
Ruby  
more like Java. I’m new to Ruby, but really enjoy it so far. As for  
Python,  
I just can’t get my self into it. I attended one of Mark Lutz’s training  
sessions, just to find I didn’t care for coding Python. I’m sure it’s a  
great language, but I guess it’s not for me. Mark did a great job. I  
find  
Ruby very easy to use, and the syntax well thought out. Don’t change a  
thing, at least not until I’ve learned it better.

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Alle Tuesday 07 October 2008, Tom R. ha scritto:

> I’ve thought that one rather likes the structure of a language learned  
> first.
> 
> I learned Ruby first then Python.
> 
> I never liked the indentation of Python probably as a result
> 
> Tom

I learned Python first, hated its indentation-based structure, switched  
to  
Ruby and loved it.

Stefano

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David A. Black wrote:

> David

Yeah ☹ Although sometimes I miss the simplicity of ON KEY GOSUB…

-Justin

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