On Friday 12 March 2010 07:00:06 pm Seebs wrote:
Non-comparable. No fundamental civil rights are infringed when I’m told
I can’t burn someone else’s American flag. My right to write software
is not infringed by my lack of a right to modify someone else’s without
I suppose that’s the difference between buying and renting software.
Put another way, I’m not saying I should be able to burn someone else’s
But if you sold me a flag, why should that automatically allow you to
how I use it? Should I have to sign a no-burning contract before any
No, after I buy it, it’s mine, even if you’re the one who made it.
Regardless, the point was not that this is an essential right, and
clearly hyperbole (on my part). The point is that it’s important to me
that ability, whether or not I have a clear and present need for it.
- You’re tied to an OS which is notorious for breaking backwards-
lolwut? I have things from OS X 10.0, written for PowerPC systems,
which still run on Intel in 10.6.
And I’ve seen things break from 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5.
So? I’ve got code which has been broken by just about every Linux system
revision since RHEL4 or so.
I haven’t seen much of that, not that it matters – the point is that
generally, open code that has a userbase of programmers will be
across those versions, and even the old, unpopular versions are often
and maintained. Neither of these is guaranteed for proprietary software.
But all you’ve shown so far is that at least one group of people who were
actively updating software for new systems released something that ran on
a previous system and the current system, but not on systems before that
– but that could be just because they linked against that system’s
Could be – though I was under the impression that most libraries are
with the program, and that this was an advantage of the .app folder
VLC isn’t the only example, but the obvious ones that come to mind are
like a virtual desktop manager (pre-Spaces), which likely fits your
of being a low-level hack, something you’d expect to break. I remember
similar things with TunnelBlick, though again, it’s been long enough
may be my imagination.
I withdraw that claim.
your business or livelihood, unless you have some particular reason for
which it’s really the best choice for you anyway.
It’s also an argument against considering Windows to be the basis of
business or livelihood, unless you’re willing to accept that upgrade
treadmill. Again, before Win7, the choice was likely between XP and
many savvier consumers disliked Vista with a passion.
So your choice was to stick with XP, which was relatively light, fast,
proven, but risk Microsoft letting it slowly rot… or upgrade to Vista,
was buggy, slow, new, and prone to breaking XP apps in interesting ways.
And the only way out? Win7. But that was, again, depending wholly on
to solve the issue.
Now consider the case of a killer app developed by a single individual.
What are the chances he’s going to expend significant time and energy
maintaining old versions of TextMate when he could be working on a new
version (and charging for it) instead?
Not particularly high – but an editor isn’t comparable to an OS (unless
it’s emacs). I don’t have to worry about new malware targeting my editor,
With textmate having its own URL schema, yes, you do. And that’s
other stuff that you’d hope is easy to get right, like proper handling
But I can’t see why you’d argue not just that this is a benefit, but that
it’s such a huge benefit that anyone who would prefer ANY other combination
of features, values, or requirements over it is somehow objectively wrong.
I’m not arguing that.
I’m arguing that it is a huge benefit, and I’m puzzled that people place
little value on it, especially when I presume it’s exactly this kind of
benefit that would lead someone to Ruby in the first place.
However, I did a fair amount of development for HD-DVD, and I always
copy of Windows around, so I do understand. Then again, my reasons for
Visual Studio as an IDE for HD-DVD don’t apply to TextMate.
Whew. That was hard to find the one tool which isn’t portable, and I’m
not even sure about that – it might run under Cygwin!
Oh, sure, tons of stuff is portable. On the other hand, having suffered
through Gaim^WPidgin for years, I love using Adium X.
Adium was good. I like Kopete, these days.
different editor. Whatever.
Right, that’s the major difference between an editor and the kind of
justifies this long of a discussion. For example, your iPhone projects
like they’re of the type where it would be a significant effort,
a full rewrite, to port them to another platform.
I think I wandered offtopic there.
sudo apt-get install samba
Yeah, I did actually set up samba. Three times. It was a nightmare to
get it working reliably with several different windows systems, the
documentation was crap, and it crashed fairly often.
Can’t speak much for the documentation, but I have created Samba setups
(fairly simply) which worked, out of the box, on every Windows I came
I have never once seen Samba crash.
I enjoy sysadmin work, but I’ve also gotten a static webserver working
under five minutes, and a local torrent tracker (complete with relevant
torrents) in under half an hour (due to crap documentation).